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Ukraine forces destroy most of a column of Russian military vehicles, president says
Washington Post ^ | 15 Aug 14 | Michael Birnbaum

Posted on 08/16/2014 4:52:59 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

KIEV, Ukraine — Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Friday that Ukrainian forces had attacked and destroyed part of a column of Russian military vehicles on Ukrainian territory, a step that, if confirmed, would represent a significant escalation of hostilities between Ukraine and Russia.

Poroshenko told British Prime Minister David Cameron that “the majority” of a column of Russian military vehicles “had been destroyed by the Ukrainian artillery at night,” his office said in a statement. The announcement came as NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Friday that the defense alliance had seen an “incursion” into Ukraine the previous night.

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To: McGruff

“Somebody is cause trouble and it could “escalate quickly”.”

The Nazi’s, specifically Lyashko, doesn’t want the aid getting through.

IMHO, this would have ended long ago, were it not for the Nazi’s in Kiev. They are pushing this war, hard, and they an armed thug mob to back them up.


101 posted on 08/16/2014 10:42:56 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

There was little to no aid in those vehicles (said reporters at the scene), they were carrying Russian troops for reinforcements


102 posted on 08/16/2014 10:43:58 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

“There was little to no aid in those vehicles (said reporters at the scene), they were carrying Russian troops for reinforcements”

Uhhh....
NO....
You are just repeating yet another Kiev conspiracy theory.
You are only seeing a FEW lightly loaded pics, not the vast majority, as Western Journos WITH the convoy have noted.

Steve Rosenberg BBC News Aug 15
Picked a lorry. They opened it up. What was inside? Drinking water. Also saw condensed milk & buckwheat.
https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/500195004615524353

As the US Army Convoy Manual I posted last night states, you have to plan for a certain number of vehicles falling out, for various reasons.

You will recall that 283 trucks left Moscow, but only 270-some arrived.

Things break. Have you ever seen a broken down truck along the highway?


103 posted on 08/16/2014 10:52:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

I suppose the Russian Nazis are better than the Ukrainian Nazis.


104 posted on 08/16/2014 10:54:15 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

Maria Finosha-RT

BREAKING: Russia and Ukraine agreed on how humanitarian convoy will reach E. Ukraine - RED CROSS


105 posted on 08/16/2014 10:54:44 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

UPDATE: Red Cross staff will accompany each truck with humanitarian aid from Russia to Ukraine


106 posted on 08/16/2014 10:55:23 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Protests related to the announced partial mobilization have continued in Chernivtsi, where around 70 people, mostly draftees and a group of women, gathered at the entrance of the military barracks in the city.

The SMM spoke to some of the draftees, who stated that they had been given ten days to give up their protest and agree to be deployed or face prosecution for desertion.

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/122662


107 posted on 08/16/2014 10:58:47 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 1rudeboy

“I suppose the Russian Nazis are better than the Ukrainian Nazis”

False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.

A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.

In other words, correlation does not mean causation. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such: If A is the set of c and d, and B is the set of d and e, then since they both contain d, A and B are equal. d is not required to exist in both sets; only a passing similarity is required to cause this fallacy to be able to be used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence


108 posted on 08/16/2014 11:09:57 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

I love it when the Russians speak of “false equivalence.” They do know irony. In fact, no one does irony better.


109 posted on 08/16/2014 11:13:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Zhang Fei

Exactly. Taking it a step further, I’m sure the Arabs who planned and executed 9/11 spoke English too. But they were not Americans. Hell, Obama speaks English but in a visceral sense he’s not an American and neither are the Putinistas on FReeRepublic who clamor for a Putin victory that harms Russia’s neighbors and empowers Putin as he builds a new Russian empire.


110 posted on 08/16/2014 11:22:06 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

Anyone who disagrees with the communist Putin is a NAZI; it’s an old Stalinist trick.


111 posted on 08/16/2014 11:31:18 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Their trolls are better trained now than when they were working for the Soviets.


112 posted on 08/16/2014 11:33:08 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“Anyone who disagrees with the communist Putin is a NAZI; it’s an old Stalinist trick.”

lol.. NO

Anyone who is an ACTUAL NAZI is an actual Nazi....

OH WAIT...
They don’t call themselves National Socialists, they are the SOCIAL NATIONALISTS!!

So, what should we call them, then?
So-Nazi’s?
How about “Ukrainian Nazi’s”?


113 posted on 08/16/2014 11:35:25 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: elhombrelibre
But still part of their playbook:

Whataboutism

It represents a case of tu quoque or the appeal to hypocrisy, a logical fallacy which attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.


114 posted on 08/16/2014 11:40:31 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf; All

Wow... This is kind of “In Your Face”...

Col. Stanislav Selivanov (NAF) asks to Poroshenko send more equipment, ammo, weapons and other things to ATO area

http://youtu.be/Dkm-f-CsIKI


115 posted on 08/16/2014 11:42:53 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.

So then who are the good Nazis?

116 posted on 08/16/2014 11:44:50 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: tcrlaf

According to you all Ukrainians, especially those who want a free and independent country, are Nazis. You’ve plenty of attractions, fondness, love, and affection for Putin, but none for the people of Ukraine.


117 posted on 08/16/2014 11:49:24 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf
Wow... This is kind of “In Your Face”... Col. Stanislav Selivanov (NAF) asks to Poroshenko send more equipment, ammo, weapons and other things to ATO area

Wow so cool.

Reminds me of what I'm hearing about Brown in Ferguson, running toward the cop asking to be plugged.

Only Selivanov will high tail it out of town, after many of his comrades get slaughtered.

In your face man!

Woof!

118 posted on 08/16/2014 11:53:28 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign; All

Reports of heavy fighting today from both the rebels and the UK’s, around Amvrosiivka, southeast of Donetsk.

If it falls to the rebels, almost all of the UK units west of Donetsk will be cut off, and the road to Mauriopal opened.


119 posted on 08/16/2014 11:55:33 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: FreeReign

“Only Selivanov will high tail it out of town,”

Doubtful...
He is a local, from Lysychansk (sp??), and a former UK Army officer.


120 posted on 08/16/2014 11:57:09 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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