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To: BlackElk

Franco sent “The Blue Division’’ to Russia to fight for Hitler. You left that out. Yours is the biggest pile of revisionist bull sh!t I’ve ever read. Obviously you didn’t live in Spain under Franco and you’re right—this is CONSERVATIVE website and you’re singing the praises of a Spanish Fascist.


25 posted on 08/16/2014 1:57:39 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa
Get used to the idea that our communist enemies term anyone who resists them "fascist." The appropriate term in Spain under Franco is Falangist.

I had not heard of the Blue Division or Legion Azul but, since you bring them up, they were Spanish VOLUNTEERS whose participation in the war was strictly limited to attacking Stalinist USSR, They were absolutely required not to engage any other Allied troops or other military. They killed a lot of communists particularly at Leningrad. Got a problem with that? I don't. I have a MUCH bigger problem with FDR allying us with the USSR which no previous POTUS had even recognized. I also agree with Patton, MacArthur (as I understand it), the German and Japanese High Command who wanted to use the remaining German and Japanese troops to spearhead a proposed invasion of the USSR to end totalitarianism and future threats to Japan and Germany among other nations. Russia had been battered. Our troops were still available along with their equipment. It is a crime that Stalin and the USSR were allowed to survive and that we handed Stalin Eastern Europe and parts of Asia.

This is a CONSERVATIVE website and you have no problem coddling Stalin. Good luck with that. It is a good thing that Ronaldus Maximus was POTUS to arrange the collapse of the soviets rather than someone like you.

I did not live in Spain under Franco and neither did you. You but the standard issue propaganda. I don't. I did not live through the Bolshevik Revolution, the Napoleonic Wars, the Thirty Years War, the American Revolution, the Roman Republic or the roman Empire. That does not mean I don't have strong opinions on each of them and many more. Just as you root for the reds in the 1930s and 1940s without being there.

I also have seen no apology from you for your love objects raping and murdering nuns and murdering priests and seminarians. Do you think that the Spanish reds were somehow entitled to do that without retaliation or that the Stalinists were entitled to, as moral monsters themselves, back the Spanish moral monsters who committed such infamous crimes? I will gladly support Falangists over communists any time. If you would not, what qualifies you as a conservative? Maybe you have been living under Obozo and the New Left for too long? Or did your great grandpa go to Spain with the Abraham Lincoln brigades?

32 posted on 08/16/2014 9:54:46 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: jmacusa
Franco sent “The Blue Division’’ to Russia to fight for Hitler.

Franco allowed volunteers to join the Blue Division to fight against Stalin, a subtle but important distinction:

Although Spanish dictator Field Marshal (Generalísimo) Francisco Franco did not enter World war II on the side of Nazi Germany, he permitted volunteers to join the German Army (Wehrmacht Heer) on the clear and guaranteed condition they would fight exclusively against Bolshevism (Soviet Communism) on the Eastern Front, and not against the Western Allies or any Western European occupied populations. In this manner, he could keep Spain at peace with the Western Allies whilst simultaneously repaying Adolf Hitler for his support during the Spanish Civil War (see Condor Legion). Spanish foreign minister Ramón Serrano Súñer made the suggestion to raise a volunteer corps, and at the commencement of Operation Barbarossa, Franco sent an official offer of help to Berlin.
In so doing, he got a lot of the pro-Nazi Spaniards out of Spain during the war, they west to the Eastern Front, and they DIED there, thus ridding Spain of what would otherwise have been a pro-Hitler Fifth Column.

I thought it was a brilliant move.

38 posted on 08/17/2014 7:30:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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