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To: mindburglar; ilgipper

I didn’t vote for Tillis in the Primary but I certainly will in Nov. You do as you please.
The Republican party will stay an ‘Also Ran’ bridesmaid if we don’t unite.

Sitting it out in 2012 gave us another 4 years of Zer0 and Reid and look what a mess he’s got us in.
Are you gonna tell me Romney wouldn’t have done better?
He may not have hit all the points we want but you can bet your a$$ the economy would have been on the way to recovery, and we would be standing with Israel.


14 posted on 08/14/2014 6:18:38 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Vinnie
Good thing I'm not a republican. I'm a conservative. Two very different things.

McConnell supported Reid's agenda with critical cloture votes. With the liberal republican senate leadership supporting and enacting the liberal agenda, I don't want them in the majority.

Remember McCain and the gang of 8? Even when the liberal republicans had a majority, they worked with the dems to enact the liberal agenda.

I hope the liberal republican party is politically destroyed.

/johnny

16 posted on 08/14/2014 6:39:46 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Vinnie
Are you gonna tell me Romney wouldn’t have done better?

I agree with you on your two points: the economy would be better, and we would be standing with Israel, and both of those are salient and significant.

My concern is that there is another lesson to be learned from the history of GOP politics in the recent century. With two exceptions--Harding/Coolidge and Reagan--every time a Republican has been in office, the progressives have been able to get their camel's nose in yet another tent, and then tear down the tent when their President comes in office later. Hoover gave us the New Deal, though of course he didn't call it that; FDR simply expanded on the post-crash acts passed in his predecessor's administration. Nixon gave us the EPA, wage and price controls, and the detachment of the dollar from gold, all of which has been used subsequently to great effect by Democrat administrations, up to and including our own. The Bush 41 tax hikes opened the door for the later Clinton tax hikes, and the Bush 43 TARP opened the door for Obama's crony socialism. One could even point to Reagan's 1986 attempts at bipartisan compromise on the issues of tax reform and illegal immigration, and the results that came from both: the Dems eventually got all that they wanted, simply by waiting out the GOP and getting Clinton in office six years later.

The only reason Obamacare will collapse, if it indeed collapses, will be because some early version of it wasn't passed in the McCain administration, as would almost certainly have occurred, and the only reason amnesty hasn't been passed is because we don't have Jeb Bush or Chris Christie or Mitt Romney in the White House suggesting some watered-down version of it "for the good of the nation," which the subsequent Hillary! or Warren or Booker administration would expand, to become what the progressives always wanted in the first place.

The difference is that progressives are quite happy with incrementalism, while the GOPe think of politics as the art of bipartisan compromise, and the result is a codependency that leads to a dysfunctional government. I am outflanked by no one by my despise of the policies of the Obama administration, but when the Dems are in control and out in the open, they can be fought head-on by someone willing to fight when them head-on (cf. Carter by Reagan), but when the GOP is in the White House and the Dems have any power, even if it is only the power of filibustering the Senate or having their judges rule in their favor, the common practice has been attempt at compromise, which results in incrementalism, which results in the Dems winning in the long run.

24 posted on 08/14/2014 8:04:00 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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