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To: Morgana

All the blacks ran out of the public housing yelling kill the cops.... I bet that cop was reaching for a full magazine.

There isn’t enough information to know if it was a clean shooting or not. It’s the multiple shots that concerns me. More gun control at the target range is needed.


8 posted on 08/10/2014 3:43:31 PM PDT by pallis
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To: pallis

There is No Such Thing as a “Clean Shoot” if the other person is UNARMED, it is MURDER.


10 posted on 08/10/2014 3:48:53 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: pallis

It’s alarming that these sorts of incidents are on the rise. I was not there, so I cannot make a determination whether it was justified or not, but I gotta say, cops are opening up on folks a whole lot now days.


19 posted on 08/10/2014 4:36:49 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: pallis

“It’s the multiple shots that concerns me. More gun control at the target range is needed.”

That’s not a valid conclusion.

Every department I am familiar with trains on some variation of the controlled pair or double-tap, by definition “multiple shots”.

There are many reasons for this training standard. One reason being that pistols are by definition anemic and inadequate fight-stoppers compared to rifles or shotguns. Another reason being that in a real-world self-defense situation it’s very difficult or impossible to tell if you actually *hit* the person trying to kill you — as there are no Hollywood volcanoes of dust, sparks or blood to indicate such things, usually at most just a slight tug at a piece of clothing barely visible for a split-second. Training for a pair of controlled, aimed shots center mass drastically increases the probability of an actual hit.

Beyond those reasons, a gun isn’t a magic wand. You don’t wave it at someone and watch him drop like a puppet with its strings cut. Blood loss and air embolism can take minutes to incapacitate someone. That’s a long time when said someone is trying to kill you, so you train people to shoot until the threat stops — training a person to shoot controlled, aimed pairs of shots while doing so encourages a person to place effective fire on target, as well as encourages that person to frequently re-assess the threat and CEASE firing when the threat stops.

So, a real-world shooting looks absolutely nothing like a day of punching paper at the range. It’s a dynamic, chaotic, MOVING, rapidly changing situation made up of split-second life-altering decisions — often in poor light. There are no easy hi-visibility neon-orange targets, you often don’t even know if you hit what you shot at. Even when you do hit the person trying to kill you a very large part of the time they are going to keep fighting or bouncing around like crazy until they manage to leak out a LARGE volume of their blood — that takes a long time, a long time that seems like the rest of your life when someone is trying to kill you.

So, no. Your belief that the officer was deficient in marksmanship or training because he fired multiple shots is not valid. That opinion is likely motivated more by YOUR lack of adequate self-defense training and firearms experience. Range time is not self-defense training, and self-defense looks NOTHING like a shooting range.


29 posted on 08/10/2014 5:16:13 PM PDT by jameslalor
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