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To: bamahead

“Any power you give the state to enforce morals will be retained even when those not of your morals are in charge. This is the part that most SoCons seem to ‘gloss over’ when being overly self-righteous with the power of law. “

You’re right. I’m convinced. We should have no laws at all. Murder laws, toss them. Rape? toss them. Child predator laws? What for? Those laws are not about money, just arbitrary moral values that mean nothing.

Consider this. We have such laws defined, murder, rape, child predator, and even DUI, codified so that society has a clearly defined right and wrong for the purposes of correcting those issues.
It would be unfair to punish a person for a wrong act that wasn’t clearly defined. That is why DUI usually has a BAC. It is not left strictly to some judge’s personal opinion, but a scientifically determined point of impairment.
As I said, we are not going to wait for the DUI guy to hurt someone. If you are DUI, you are already a threat to me. I have no obligation to wait for actual harm, when reason says you are easily a threat.
Don’t like it? Tough. You will never win that argument with society.

Codified law is the only fair means of having ANY law. Otherwise it is nothing but arbitrary Wild West style justice. And without law, what is the means of restraining the worst among us? Just arbitrarily kill them when they cross an undefined line?

As for
“Any power you give the state to enforce morals will be retained even when those not of your morals are in charge.”

That boils down to Regan’s “Freedom is only one generation from extinction.” speech.
Simply put, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Both against the government, and those who would use the word freedom to make themselves a threat to others.


221 posted on 08/07/2014 6:37:32 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: LevinFan
Simply put, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Both against the government, and those who would use the word freedom to make themselves a threat to others.

Cliche. How is giving the state almost unlimited power to enforce 'the greater good' working out now that those who don't have either of our morals are in charge? Liberty is being raped by both parties and they have no intention of giving it back despite how much 'eternal vigilance' folks like you think we can throw at it.

You keep burning up those strawmen like 'libertarians are all for murder and rape and pedophilia'. Smearing libertarians who do share some of your small gov't goals with that stupidity is not exactly what I call 'eternal vigilance'...it seems more like a circular firing squad. Meanwhile, the left abuses and piles onto many of the powers that these so-called social 'conservatives' were happy to hand over to the state when it suited enforcement of their 'moral' beliefs.

Prime example: DUI checkpoints (revenue enhancers) have recently morphed into this:

The TSA Is Coming To A Highway Near You

As TSOs continue to expand their presence beyond our nation’s airports and onto our highways, every American citizen has the right to know that they are not dealing with actual federal law enforcement officers. Had one Virginia woman known this days before Thanksgiving she may have been able to escape being forcibly raped by a TSO who approached her in a parking lot in full uniform while flashing his badge.

Will the STRIP Act solve every problem facing the TSA? Absolutely not. The STRIP Act seeks to expand upon the work of my colleagues by chipping away at an unnoticed yet powerful overreach of our federal government. If Congress cannot swiftly overturn something as simple as this administrative decision there will be little hope that we can take steps to truly rein in the TSA on larger issues of concern.

Furthermore, if Congress fails to act do not be surprised if the TSA gives TSOs another administrative makeover in the future. Only this time it won’t be a new uniform. It will be the power to make arrests as some TSOs are already publicly calling for.

But if you aren't doing anything wrong, I guess you have nothing to worry about....right?

223 posted on 08/07/2014 7:28:55 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: LevinFan
Another morphing of one of your 'morality' laws into full blown police state:

Off-duty cops collect DNA samples at Alabama roadblocks

Don't worry though, I'm sure it was only a 'test run' to see how orderly we'd line up for the real thing.

224 posted on 08/07/2014 7:34:23 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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