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To: Ivan Mazepa
Russians did it

Some might disagree. Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity

On topic I believe it was a BUK missile. Who fired it is still to be determined. Where's our proof the Russian did it other than some carttonish audio tapes put together in Kiev's basement.

100 posted on 07/30/2014 11:14:47 AM PDT by McGruff (I don't trust the Russians but I don't trust the Ukrainians either.)
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To: McGruff

I would ask you again McGruff to consider why the current Kiev government would shoot down a plane that their foes did not possess, assuming it was a misidentification of a military transport flying at 33K feet and just about to cross the border into Russian territory, not the other way around. Especially when they have access to the radar identification transponder signals. And, to the communications and air traffic control.

To do so you would have to surmise that the commercial jet was shot down specifically to blame the Russians for it and cause a great debate for what purpose?

It would have been a better idea if they had used a American Airliner for that purpose....so I guess they are just stoooopid.

LOL


102 posted on 07/30/2014 11:24:39 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: McGruff; Ivan Mazepa
Where's our proof the Russian did it other than some carttonish audio tapes put together in Kiev's basement.

How about their confession in social media postings? As for the videos, Bezler admitted they were real, although he claimed he was somehow "taken out of context." In so doing he also admitted to reporting back to the Russian GRU, whom he was speaking with.

110 posted on 07/30/2014 12:28:36 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: McGruff
Ukrainian SBU says the Russian Kung Fu is weak, its pictures false.

First picture which SBU says is dated July 17 shows a made field (upper left)

Second picture is the one claimed by Russia taken on July 16.

Similarly with the third and fourth picture, where the former Russian picture has a tree line and Ukrainian doesn't, it was cut down 4 days prior.

The thing with Su-25 is a non-starter, it can't reach that high. They had the engineer who made the thing saying it's not possible.

Russian thing is to introduce a POSSIBILITY that a Ukrainian Buk was in the area. (It's POSSIBLE it was Bababooey all along; see where we're going with this?)

Ukraine had no reason to use the Buk - the Russian fighters have no Air Force. The Russians had the Buk, used it before, and had claimed credit when they shot down MH17.

118 posted on 07/30/2014 3:42:59 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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