no....I did leave a exception for a strategic threat...ie: Russia
China
What other countries matter.
I left the exception of when we intervene politically and in other ways ie; Cold war
But the idea there is to leave the mess to be cleaned up by the larger foe.
I was addressing Libya as a perfect example of a break it/fixit rule. We should not have intervened. How about Egypt, How about Iraq.
Afghanistan initially was a response to a attack on our homeland. I was good with what Bush did. I hollered like a banshee when Obama turned it into a project and now he is leaving it too early just as he did Iraq, and all the crap we stirred up will just return to the outhouse in both places and all that investment and lives were totally wasted.
A total boondoggle waste.
A generation is 30 years as a rule for the first turnover. After that mathematically it starts to accelerate to get a total turnover based on at what age the kids are born to the new generation to make the third turnover. To change a countries political future and teach them new tricks that they have never done before, the generation that was there when you intervened will not be able to hold it together after the first problem arises. They will revert to the old ways, but the second generation educated in a modern way by the interventionist. (ie: us) Will have the knowledge and will not have the old wounds of a millennia of strife and inter tribal bigotry.
The 3rd generation will be even better. It might take 50 years to see those results as they emerge. But when you leave, you leave a stable society. The expense in this case would be worth it, never to return and to have a ally.
Some strategic threats: Iran, Pakistan, North Korea and frankly any country that harbors non-state actors that can pose a threat to this country acting as surrogates for those listed above. Militant Islamic fundamentalism poses a global threat.
I was addressing Libya as a perfect example of a break it/fixit rule. We should not have intervened. How about Egypt, How about Iraq.
You don't understand why Obama was compelled to intervene in Libya leading from behind. When Libya was disintegrating, it affected oil production that went primarily to Europe and were owned partially by Europeans. Even more importantly, as Libya fell into chaos, the Italians were faced with a massive infusion of boat people fleeing Libya and North Africa. It had to be turned off and the way to do it was to resolve the Libyan civil war.
We didn't intervene in Egypt. Obama made a major mistake in supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and alienating the military. Egypt was a close ally and we should not have thrown Mubarak under the bus. It hurt us in the region.
We did the right thing in intervening in Iraq--twice. We should have finished the job during the Gulf War.
Afghanistan initially was a response to a attack on our homeland. I was good with what Bush did. I hollered like a banshee when Obama turned it into a project and now he is leaving it too early just as he did Iraq, and all the crap we stirred up will just return to the outhouse in both places and all that investment and lives were totally wasted.
Bush started making it a nation-building exercise. We should have had a SOFA with Iraq and now one with Afghanistan. America is war-weary. There is no stomach for keeping large numbers of troops in Afghanistan. And we have a President who will not articulate the need to stay there and build the necessary public support.
A generation is 30 years as a rule for the first turnover. After that mathematically it starts to accelerate to get a total turnover based on at what age the kids are born to the new generation to make the third turnover. To change a countries political future and teach them new tricks that they have never done before, the generation that was there when you intervened will not be able to hold it together after the first problem arises. They will revert to the old ways, but the second generation educated in a modern way by the interventionist. (ie: us) Will have the knowledge and will not have the old wounds of a millennia of strife and inter tribal bigotry.
LOL. I don't buy into your sophistry. It depends on the country. Japan and Germany evolved very quickly. It depends on the country, its history, and its people.