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U.S. Officials Lay Out Case Against Russia
WSJ ^ | July 22, 2014 | Siobhan Gormon and Paul Sonne

Posted on 07/23/2014 8:59:56 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

Washington Seeks to Counter Russian Claims About MH17 Crash

U.S. intelligence officials presented reporters with their most detailed case yet Tuesday that Russian-backed Ukrainian separatists shot down a Malaysia Airlines jetliner last week, in a bid to counter what American officials see as Russian efforts to muddy the waters with claims of Ukrainian culpability.

The officials relied on photographs, social media, and voiceprint analysis of Ukrainian communications intercepts to make their public case that a likely SA-11 antiaircraft weapon fired from separatist-controlled territory shot down the commercial airliner, killing 298 people on board.

The evidence cited, however, didn't raise the case for Russian involvement in the shoot-down to a new level of certainty. Officials said they are still working to refine evidence and may offer more in coming days.

Other U.S. officials, including some at the Pentagon, have said more assertively in recent days that Russia likely provided the missile system used by separatists to shoot down Flight 17. The more restrained presentation by intelligence officials Tuesday reflected the cautious nature of intelligence analysis.

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Locals in the rebel-held city of Torez said on Tuesday that on the day Flight 17 went down, they spotted an SA-11, or Buk, missile on a flatbed truck traveling through the town center toward the alleged launch site.

One Torez resident who works on the main road said the SA-11 was notable because he hadn't seen such a sophisticated ground-to-air missile system among the many military vehicles that had rolled through Torez since fighting began. He said what looked like the same truck later came back through town going the other way, without the missile.

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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Did you not take your meds today or is the Vodka flowing?


81 posted on 07/23/2014 12:39:52 PM PDT by McGruff (If you tell a lie often enough the weak minded will accept it to be truth.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
All these Putinistas do is regurgitate Russian propaganda straight from the Russian media. Just yesterday Russia said Ukraine Ruled By Western ‘Puppets’, so today caww keeps bleating on about how Kiev never does anything without asking the US first, which of course is 100% false.
82 posted on 07/23/2014 12:39:58 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: caww
So in other words, you won't post the “evidence” you got straight from the Kremlin here because it's total BS and everyone would call you on it.
83 posted on 07/23/2014 12:41:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: McGruff
Did you not take your meds today or is the Vodka flowing?

Maybe you should check your anti-semitic websites to get insults which do not apply just to Neo-Soviet rats like yourself.

84 posted on 07/23/2014 12:42:34 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Do your own homework Joe......you guys just don't stay on mark when it comes to things which are being exposed and revealed. I'm busy moving forward now and am not going to get tangled in your arguments, which prove time and again fruitless to say the least.

Otherwise people can determine themselves...and I trust most Freepers will take whatever is posted and investigate what is significant to them , just as I do, and will arrive at their own conclusions which is worthy of respect....However, when you and others like you flame posters and attach name calling and derogatory remarks in your posts you reveal your level of understanding as less than limited.

85 posted on 07/23/2014 1:30:01 PM PDT by caww
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To: Timber Rattler
OK, so what? Not our problem.

One of the 295 dead was American...but that is no problem and no concern of yours?

Russians shooting passenger jets out the sky is not our problem...got you! Btw, does your family fly in passenger jets ever?

86 posted on 07/23/2014 1:33:34 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You’ve been trolling this site since you joined .....nothing new to your posts except the same runny mouth with nothing of substance that makes any difference...

Your anger and hatred runs with others we know.


87 posted on 07/23/2014 1:36:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff

Well they’ve all tagged one another and are here to stop any flow of information...yet again....and we all know who likes to stop information that would arrive at the truth.


88 posted on 07/23/2014 1:37:27 PM PDT by caww
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To: All

Let’s not pretend we don’t know there are active duty Russian military personnel fighting and commanding inside Ukraine and even the rebels living in Ukraine are following orders from Moscow.

If you really think the Ukrainians are only fighting a few hundred drunks from Donetsk you really should be at DU not FR.

It is absurd to think a few drunk Russian rebels operated and have shot down multiple planes with that BUK or multiple BUK’s.


89 posted on 07/23/2014 1:51:08 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

“Let’s not pretend we don’t know there are active duty Russian military personnel fighting and commanding inside Ukraine”

Until you can PROVE it, that is just speculation.
As is that the US is leading Kiev.

I don’t doubt that both could be true, but neither is PROVEN....


90 posted on 07/23/2014 1:52:49 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Unlike you Ruskie, we don’t salute the Russian flag here or let our enemies dictate how we defend ourselves.


91 posted on 07/23/2014 1:55:43 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

“Russians shooting passenger jets out the sky is not our problem...”

The “Russians” didn’t shoot down anything.
Pro-Russian UKRAINIAN rebels likely did.

YOU, yet again, making accusations that you simply don’t have evidence for.

Your purpose here is very clear to us all.


92 posted on 07/23/2014 1:55:49 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: free_life

“Unlike you Ruskie, we don’t salute the Russian flag here”

MORE 12 yr-old name calling?
REALLY?

Is that all you do?


93 posted on 07/23/2014 1:57:11 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: caww

You will note how quickly they escalate to the level of HATE.


94 posted on 07/23/2014 1:58:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: caww
The US is running Ukraine...not Ukrainians. While that is bull, it is clear you prefer our enemy Russia to be running things than us. That puts you on the other side not our side, that would make you a traitor to our side.
95 posted on 07/23/2014 2:01:21 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: caww

Yeah, you are full of crap and you know it. Your BS lies have already been exposed.


96 posted on 07/23/2014 2:05:42 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: tcrlaf

The likelihood you are a Russian agent and traitor to the US is high, all you do is post Russian propaganda even after it is proven to be Russian lies.


97 posted on 07/23/2014 2:20:35 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: caww
You’ve been trolling this site since you joined .....

Says the lying scumbag who once told me that he used to respect me, till I decided not to be a worthless Putinista. Your lies do not even keep up with each other.

98 posted on 07/23/2014 2:26:59 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: free_life

lol...
More juvenile name calling, eh?


99 posted on 07/23/2014 2:30:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Which is it tcrlaf, caww, McGruff, deforest and the rest of you Russian agents and useful idiots?

You prefer Russia to be running things or the United States of America?

Who is your allegiance too?


100 posted on 07/23/2014 2:32:57 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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