You can start some "diesel" engines with just one finger.
Miniature two-stroke diesel engine
Posted on 07/22/2014 2:52:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
International monitors, who only recently gained access to the site, discovered the cockpit of the plane apparently cut in half with diesel-powered saws.
Michael Bociurkiw, spokesman for the group of international monitors from the Organize for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), told USA Today:
'The rear part of the aircraft, one of the biggest intact pieces, has definitely been hacked into'.
The cockpit was found on land which was immediately cordoned off by Russian-backed separatists during the two days after the plane was blown out of the sky.
However, both the separatists and Russia have denied any involvement in shooting down the plane.
Yesterday, President Barack Obama called for Russia to stop the separatist from moving parts of the aircraft so the area can be properly investigated.
'The separatists are removing evidence from the crash site,' he said. 'All of which begs the question: What are they trying to hide?'
An Australian air force plane and refrigerated trucks have now arrived in Holland to wait for the MH17 victims but it is now feared only 200 bodies have been recovered.
The Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe also says there are still human remains lying on the crash site.
Jain Tuinder, a Dutch official leading the investigation, said just 200 bodies had arrived in Kharkiv today adding:
'We will not leave until every remain has left this country so we will have to go on and bargain again with the people over there.’
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
“Well, for starters, one could determine whether it was an air-to-air missile versus ground-to-air. Which, in turn would make the Russians shut up about some of their conspiracy theories.”
We already know it was a ground to air missile. The Ukraine had them as well as the separatists.
Apparently Ukraine military jets escorted the airliner until 3 minutes before the shoot down. Don’t you find that odd? Could this perhaps trick the separatists into thinking it was a military aircraft? None of this evidence is going to come from the crash site.
At some point, as with any investigation, we have to ask who had the motive. Who would most likely gain from this?
Would it be the Ukraine, NATO, Russia or the separatists? I don’t trust any of them, but you know who I trust the least? You got it... Obama.
Since neither the saw nor the pieces involved are any longer on site, informed speculation is the only recourse.
Are you suggesting the services of psychics? At this point speculation is all there is. Laboratory tests to be more specific are a long ways off.
I also notice that the Freeper class of 2005 + or -1 is heavily represented.
Smell, too...
1. Ukraine tricking the separatists,The rest of your comment is opinion cloaked as fact. And the question, "who gains?" is completely irrelevant.
2. Ukraine doing the shooting, or
3. the separatists doing the shooting.
You can start some "diesel" engines with just one finger.
Miniature two-stroke diesel engine
Their sign up dates seem pretty scattered to me and include a number of the 98/99 group, one thing that I have noticed about some of them, is that some don’t post frequently, or have posting gaps.
What is the source of this?
A teenager on twitter?
The Russians in eastern Ukraine pretending to be Ukranians and playing civil war?
What?
“And the question, “who gains?” is completely irrelevant.”
The motive is never irrelevant in an investigation. Tell that to any criminal investigator and they will laugh in your face. It is and has always been the #1 thing.
You do know that one of the demands from the Putin backed rebels in all of this that the Ukrainians agree to the independence of Donetsk before the Dutch et al can get all their dead back.
Putin is using the dead as bargaining chips to get what the his rebels can't win on the battlefield.
Putin and his rebels gained in all of this -- they got bargaining chips to fall from the sky at the cost of only one SAM.
“What is the source of this?”
I read it on FR. You will have to do a search...
It was also debunked on FR.
“Putin and his rebels gained in all of this — they got bargaining chips to fall from the sky at the cost of only one SAM.”
No he didn’t. He got nothing.
Putin has been on a campaign to convince the world that he is indeed the leader of the free world. That would normally be easy, since all we have is the Queer Muslim in the white house...
Putin didn’t need a bargining chip. He had Obama.
It was presented by the Russian Defense Ministry at their briefing on July 21st.
The Russians also called on the United States to release their satellite data for the same time & location.
More pictures here:
Is this the BUK missile launcher that downed flight MH17? Evidence piles up against the Russians as picture reveals pro-Moscow separatist posing in front of rocket launcher in Ukraine
“It was presented by the Russian Defense Ministry at their briefing on July 21st.”
Thanks
Thanks Uncle Chip. There’s been more ridiculous counterclaims on behalf of Pooty-Poot and his merry gang of murdering thugs than there were cover stories for OJ when he slashed the throats of his ex-wife and her friend. Naturally the 9-11 Truther and demagogue Ron Paul blames everyone except the Russians.
He still hasn't turned over all the bodies in his possession, has he???
He was atleast 82 short last count. He promised 282 bodies but only delivered 200.
What do you think he will charge for the other 82???
The silence speaks volumes.
“He still hasn’t turned over all the bodies in his possession, has he???”
I’m pretty confidant that Putin doesn’t have any bodies in his possession. That’s just Crazy Talk.
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