What We Know And Don't Know About The Downing Of Flight MH17 And The 'Buk' Missile System

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What We Know And Don't Know About The Downing Of Flight MH17 And The 'Buk' Missile System

21:12 (GMT)

With all of the developments, debates, new evidence and new disinformation, let's take a look at what we know and don't know about the theory that a Buk missile system shot down Malaysian Flight MH17.

What We Know - The Separatists Had The Buk

The main theory is that a Buk missile system shot MH17 out of the sky. The separatist at one point admitted that they had a Buk, though that tweet has since been deleted. We have created a map of the areas around where MH17 crashed, and we see that to the north and to the south there are three towns where the Buk system may have shot down MH17. They are as follows:

Torez- Located near Snezhnoye, a geolocated picture placed the Buk in the town.

Snezhnoye - A video showing a Buk has been geolocated to the town. Two AP journalists and a Ukrainian journalist reported seeing a Buk in Snezhnoye on July 17th, the day that MH17 was shot down. This is conclusive evidence that at least one Buk traveled in the Torez/Snezhnoye area on the day that the airliner was shot down.

Chernukhino - This one is less conclusive. The Ukrainian government released an intercepted phone call reportedly between separatist military commander and Igor Bezler (Bes, or "Demon") and Vasily Geranin, who is described as a colonel in the Russian Federation's GRU (main military intelligence), in which they talk about shooting down an aircraft in this area. In a second conversation two separatists say that the missile that shot the aircraft out of the sky came from this town.

Bezler admits that the audio tapes are real, but claims they were discussing an earlier incident - the shooting down of a Ukrainian airforce jet. But in his denial Bezler accidentally admits that the separatists are shooting down aircraft from this location, and that they are coordinating with the Russian government.This admission lends credibility to other leaked audio tapes including one in which separatists claim to have shot down MH17 accidentally thinking it was a military transport, and one in which the separatists speak with a contact in Russia and confirm the receipt of the Buk (and Russian crews to go with it).

[Uncle Chip]

BUK systems are not much good in the hands of the Ukrainians since SAMs are programmed NOT to shoot down Russian planes.

Shirley you knew that —

[Mount Athos]

I have not introduced any disinformation.

I have pointed out three true facts that the article should have included, but did not. It claimed to be a comprehensive review of the facts, but it neglected some really big ones.

If you read my comments, you would notice I said the theory that the Separatists shot down the plane is far more likely to be true.

But you are typing away as if I have put down that the Ukrainians must have shot down the plane.

Because your reading comprehension is poor, and you type before you think.

“MH17 was NOT A THREAT to the pro-Russian forces! What they did was cold-blooded murder”

Ukraine accidentally shot down a passenger plane in 2001.
Would you describe that as cold blooded murder?

What told you it couldn’t possibly have been a misidentification? Your psychic powers? The voices in your head? They intentionally shot down a passenger plane — for what motive? It benefited them — how?

[Mount Athos]

You think that was well done?

Then do you agree with him that the shooter knowingly targeted a passenger plane?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Then do you agree with him that the shooter knowingly targeted a passenger plane?

The "former" Communists operate under the basis of provocation, and they have been killing themselves to accomplish it for a long time. They were already shelling their own cities in the East from Russian soil to blame on the Ukrainians, and I know their character well enough that shooting down a plane would not be very out of character for them. There is a great deal of evidence, even more powerful than what we've seen here with the airline, that the FSB bombed Russian apartment buildings to stick the blame on the Chechens in order to start a patriotic war. I also know that the "separatists" are in direct contact with GRU handlers from Russia, receiving orders, which they themselves have admitted to, as the reference to Bezler in the article shows. I also know that it is very unlikely the these Buks would have been manned by just anybody, and most likely there is a mixture of "volunteers" recruited from Russia and GRU officers on the scene.

It is not against their character in any way, although, it certainly is a great failure on their part, if it was indeed on purpose, that they failed to shut their "separatists" up after the deed was done, which put the blame square on them instead of the Ukrainians they would have likely wanted to blame.

[terycarl]

there is no way that the separatists could have fired that missile...the system is very sophisticated and Oliver North has stated that it takes 2 years of training to efficiently use that system....the Russians own it and the Russians fired it......period.