Not even MH17 will stop Putin's goal of new Soviet Union

express.co.uk ^ | July 20, 2014 | Yuri Felshtinski

[Tailgunner Joe]

THE tragedy of MH17 will do nothing to stop Putin in his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union. This was a tragic accident for him but his ambitions extend beyond Ukraine and this will not stop that.

The world now knows he is involved with separatists connected to the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. I think Putin will understand there is no going back now and he will make his move.

Ukraine is only the first stage; it is the beginning of a wider campaign to increase Russia's strength. He will move to other countries, such as Moldova and Belorussia, where there is a strong Russian population.

This will become a European war if the West does not do more to stop it. The deaths of foreign civilians make this a European war already. Europe relies on Russia for oil and gas and Great Britain relies on it for money, but that is where they have to hit. If you watch Russian TV it is extremely anti-Ukrainian, they are showing a completely different picture.

The Russian people are being fed opposing information. They are happy to see themselves as a powerful state again, but not if it becomes expensive.

Europe should cancel visas for Russians who are members of parties that supported the annexation of Crimea, for example. It should stop Russian airlines flying over Europe or Russians from visiting the UK.

It should tell the wives of powerful people that they cannot travel to London to shop any more.

This is how you get them, you have to make it personal and there are ways of doing that. Europe should hit the rouble and hit the stock market. Cut the country off from the rest of the continent, and then Russians who rely on Europe for business will question what Putin is doing.

This is not a problem anybody wants to deal with, but the murder of the passengers on that plane means everyone has to. It is not economic any more, it is a political power struggle. If Europe does not demonstrate to Putin now that it is taking it seriously then the problem will escalate and we will have the costs of war to worry about, not just the economy.

Putin will not stop until others stop him.

[JRandomFreeper]

his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union

All he has to do is fire everyone competent. We won the Cold War. The Soviet Union failed.

Sounds like someone misses the Cold War.

/johnny

[GeronL]

ll he has to do is fire everyone competent.

Venezuela did that. Venezuela is a model of (in)efficiency. Could take 3 weeks or months to unload a cargo ship. Seriously it is that bad.

[SevenofNine]

Personally Vlady don’t care what Euros America and rest of the world thinks

[TigerClaws]

Romney said this and the MSM / Obama said his political views were ‘from the 1980s.’

Have any admitted their mistake?

[Texas Eagle]

What a coincidence. His comrade-from-another-mother, Barry Soetoro, doesn’t let loss of life like that which occurred at Ft. Hood and elsewhere stop him from fundamentally transforming The USA into The USSA.

[Oliviaforever]

Putin is in a box, he can come clean on the missile attack and Russia will be relegated to an outsider in the world community or not cooperate and be persona non grata on the world stage.

[umgud]

After all the outrage and media over-coverage, not much will come of this.

[RedMDer]

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[PieterCasparzen]

Russia is working ok as is for these companies:

All are members of the US-Russia Business Council

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[Texas Eagle]

Have any admitted their mistake?

It wasn't a mistake. They are part of the team. If they have to pull a Reggie Jackson and stick their hip into the path of a double-play ball from time to time in order to win The World Serious, they see it as their job.

[JRandomFreeper]

How did that work out for the flight from Alaska to Korea.... KAL007?

It was the CCCP then, and they didn't admit to anything for a long, long time.

Everybody kept dealing with them. History teaches us things.

/johnny

[angry elephant]

Bummer told Vlad that after he was re-elected he would have more flexibility to bend over and grab his ankles.

[wetphoenix]

~Europe should cancel visas for Russians who are members of parties that supported the annexation of Crimea, for example. It should stop Russian airlines flying over Europe or Russians from visiting the UK.

It should tell the wives of powerful people that they cannot travel to London to shop any more.

This is how you get them, you have to make it personal and there are ways of doing that. Europe should hit the rouble and hit the stock market. ~

Well, if they are looking to lose all the influence with any group in Russia why not?

~Cut the country off from the rest of the continent, and then Russians who rely on Europe for business will question what Putin is doing~
Why would they ask questions as far as it’s the West that severed ties? With all pro-Western groups isolated this way it would be a gift for any power inside the country willing to restore a real dictatorship.

All of the above worked exactly the same in Cuba or Iran. None of these regimes could have been alive today if not for a sanctions uniting populations behind their leadership who can easily cover their mismanagement and corruption blaming sanctions for poor performance.

[USNBandit]

I think he takes note, but this is just a little bump in the road for his plans. A mere inconvenience.

[Texas Eagle]

[RC one]

I am unconcerned with Putin. America has its own tyrant to deal with presently.

[listenhillary]

Did we not encourage Russia to abandon communism and adopt capitalism and emulate America? Are we condemning companies that are doing business with Russia? Should they jettison all investments that they have made?

The reason we found it necessary to install a puppet government in the Ukraine was that they were getting ready to sign a deal with Russia that was better than the EU bankers were offering. Imagine that! A leader looking for the best deal for it’s country.

I would put the USA and Russia close to levels of corruption and having a Fascist governments with Russia still in the lead.

[caveat emptor]

his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union

Nope. Just a smaller version of the old Russian Empire.


Territory
Spheres of influence

Light green = spheres of influence.

[marktwain]

Putin holds a fair amount of cards. The natural gas pipeline is a key one. Europe depends on it.

I do not see that it would matter much if Putin through some pro-Russian separatists to the wolves. How would that change anything?