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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Well, he is a mass murderer who routinely has his political opponents or opposition journalists beaten and even killed.”
Obama sicks our spy agencies on journalists, no difference as far as the effect of losing impartial journalism goes. (obviously worse to kill enemies, though)

“He is slowly creating an overt dictatorship over Russia.”
What do you think the IRS scandal is about?

“He is persecuting non-Russian Orthodox forms of Christianity in Russia.”
Not good, but I haven’t seen any stories to that effect, but I have seen a story that said Jews have it better there than since the czars (still not great, but better than before).

“He is a supporter of communist countries and movements across the world.”
So is our president and our Democrat Party, particularly in the 1980s, but still to this day.

“He is a supporter of Neo-Nazi organizations like Hungary’s Jobbick and others, giving them both overt and covert assistance.”
I don’t know enough there...I would like to know both sides of that.

“He is helping Iran get nukes. And so on and so forth.”
Not too hot on the nukes, but he actually was working with us to slow things down...until we blamed him for the plane crash.


34 posted on 07/19/2014 10:11:00 AM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

The old moral equivalence argument rears its’ ugly again, only this time from people supposedly on our side. Disheartening, to say the least...


38 posted on 07/19/2014 10:21:16 AM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength)
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To: BobL

So basically Putin is a good leader because Obama is a bad leader, huh? Brilliant!

Putin sponsors our enemies including jihadists but you can overlook that in your love affair with him.

Do some research on the evangelical church in Russia under Putin and his cohorts in the Russian Orthodox Church, it is damming!

And stop making excuses for this puke Putin, you sound like that idiot on MSNBC.


47 posted on 07/19/2014 10:42:14 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: BobL; All
Obama sicks our spy agencies on journalists, no difference as far as the effect of losing impartial journalism goes. (obviously worse to kill enemies, though)

Well, let's think about this logically here. You asked me to give you a reason to hate Putin. Are we to take from this that you do not oppose Obama, because he is just like Putin, albeit he does not kill journalists? Your reply does not make sense.

Secondly, I am not understanding, again, this false dichotomy where we have to keep going with "Well, Obama is bad too," to everything that is said about Putin.

The United States is not Russia. We still have Cruz, Palin, and other conservatives in the media and government. There are no Cruz's in Russia. It is a one party dictatorship made to look like a multi-party system, with the dictatorship having full control over the media and even over most of its "opposition."

Those who keep making these moral relativistic points about the USA and the "former" Soviet Union are engaging in absurdities.

Not good, but I haven’t seen any stories to that effect, but I have seen a story that said Jews have it better there than since the czars (still not great, but better than before).

Here's a good link to get started:

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/asia/russia/

As for anti-semetism, I would becareful with this, as members of the regime are, indeed, overtly anti-semitic, although Putin says the opposite. Meanwhile, he is supporting Iran's nuclear program and other anti-Israel states. Russia is the type of country where they always speak out of both sides of their mouth on everything.

This is the first lesson to learn when understanding the strange world of Russia, where nothing is really what it seems.

I don’t know enough there...I would like to know both sides of that.

Some more links for you:

http://www.riskandforecast.com/useruploads/files/pc_flash_report_russian_connection.pdf

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/world-news/hungary-s-far-right-backed-by-rolling-moscow-roubles-1.1034539

http://demdigest.net/blog/europes-far-right-putins-western-allies/

These articles are one sided, as they tend to make anyone who is "right" a boogeyman. But Russia's flirtation and support of these parties is part of an overall strategy to converge groups from the right and extreme right with the extreme left in support of Pro-Russian policies.

Not too hot on the nukes, but he actually was working with us to slow things down...until we blamed him for the plane crash.

This is all theater, as Iran has no use for a nuclear facility to begin with, being an oil rich country. It is merely tactics, in collusion with the Iranian regime, to buy time for their nuclear program.

54 posted on 07/19/2014 11:11:50 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: BobL

So what you’re trying to say is that when Obama abuses his power to persecute his political enemies and promote marxism, it’s bad, but when Putin does it, it’s okay.


59 posted on 07/19/2014 11:28:56 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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