Posted on 07/19/2014 4:51:10 AM PDT by yldstrk
The Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk says Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down and called it an international crime which must be investigated by the international tribunal in the Hague. The Boeing 777 was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, carrying 298 people, when it crashed in rebel-held territory on Thursday. The two sides in Ukraine's civil conflict have accused each other of shooting the jet down with a missile. The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, said that Ukraine bore responsibility for the tragedy.
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Why had his air controls herded the plane into a warzone with numerous military aircraft downed just recently? Hasn’t their forces lost advances SAMs to the rebels in June, along with defected crews? Haven’t they cries that rebels are shooting planes outside of Manpads range and still haven’t diverted air traffic?
“international crime”
What’s with the quotations around international crime? It is what it is.
Why had his air controls herded the plane into a warzone with numerous military aircraft downed just recently? Hasn’t their forces lost advances SAMs to the rebels in June, along with defected crews? Haven’t they cries that rebels are shooting planes outside of Manpads range and still haven’t diverted air traffic?
I will translate:
Why did the air traffic controllers direct the plane into a warzone where planes had been recently shot down? Didn’t the Ukrainian forces lose SAMS to the rebels in June? Shouldn’t air traffic control have diverted the flights considering that Russian terrorists are shooting planes outside of Manpads range?
I just put it the way the headline was in the BBC article, it is not my independent comment, I agree with the Ukrainian PM when he calls the shooters bastards..........
The world is run and ruined by ash holes and arrogant idiots.
Stupid bass tards shot down the plane without thoroughly checking it out,
Thank you.
Love watching Obama observe Putin do what Obama does all the time - tell lies that are so obviously lies that no one in the whole world believes him.
Two lying world leaders no one believes........
It was, however, a mistake—a stupid one (but recall the US shooting down an Iranian airliner). No one deliberately shot down an airliner—that would indeed have been a crime.
But this was the kind of (stupid) mistake that happens in combat zones.
Russia only looks silly trying to deny responsibility; but even stupidity isn’t a crime.
Russia only looks silly trying to deny responsibility; but even stupidity isn’t a crime.
Stupidity in the conduct of an unlawful war is a crime. No Russian transnational unlawful warfare, no deaths.
Russia is fully culpable here and for the over 1,000 Ukrainians they have already killed in pursuit of political goals. Those deflecting blame are supporting the murderer of 80 kids so he can attain his desired political outcome.
The shooters are guilty of criminal negligence and need to be tried, then taken out and shot.
No doubt about it.
Beyond that fact, Russia is no where near as responsible as the corrupt bastards who started this all with their coup, a coup defiantly funded and aided by the same one-world scum who helped organize the mobs in Libya and Egypt, once in power chose the worst possible approach to a dealing with people who refuse to go along with the lie that the coup crowd are a legitimate government, an approach they euphemistically call "ATO", and refused to agree to a prolonged truce Russia, Germany, Poland, and other European countries begged them to go along with so the OSCE could deploy in force in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine.
When Western Ukraine is in turmoil too, we all know who we can rely on to repeat the lame Kiev BS about it all being due to foreign or "Russian" agitators as if people on FR are so stupid they can't figure out that a government run by people who call their opponents subhuman is a government run by fascist scum.
Have a nice day now, ya' hear?
Putin kills 80 kids with high altitude SAMs and a GRU Colonel takes credit for it. But really it’s all Nulands fault.
And you continue to support Putin’s murder in Ukraine? You are mentally ill.
No one was ever run up on war-crimes charges in the downing of Iran Air 655 back in 1988, and there the USS Vincennes had not been under attack by an opposing air force, the plane was on its usual route, not hundreds of miles north of its usual route. Nor, although payments were made to the families of those killed, did the U.S. ever formally accept responsibility for the downing of the airliner. Even at the edge of war, fog of war exists and can lead to unintended civilian deaths.
If Putin's government wants to deny responsibility, they have adequate precedent given them by the U.S. government. In fact, Russia can follow the precedent exactly: wait eight years, make ex gratia compensation payments to the victims' families of $300,000 per wage-earning victim and $150,000 per non-wage-earning victim, will still denying responsibility.
If international law is not simply to be a bludgeon with which the U.S. (or the winnner in some conflict) beats opponents, it should apply equally to all.
If Russia provided badly trained rebels with those SA-11s then they are as guilty as targeting the civilian airline themselves. They were the ones giving live grenade to a monkey and had to expect there are chances their monkey might mess things up.
You examples is wrong because the USS Vincennes was not conducting unlawful warfare. Russia is. And there’s a pile of statutes under international law that will hang them for it.
If Russia provided badly trained rebels with those SA-11s then they are as guilty as targeting the civilian airline themselves. They were the ones giving live grenade to a monkey and had to expect there are chances their monkey might mess things up.
I don’t doubt once those areas are liberated there will be eyewitness confirming that the Russian “rebels” shot the airplane down.
Ah, yes, “unlawful warfare”. I happen to have recently met a (legal) immigrant to the U.S. from Lyuhansk, whose relatives still in eastern Ukraine are separatists. They are not Russian agents. They are people who don’t want to live under the rule of Kiev after the Western Ukrainians overthrew a government they had voted for and still overwhelmingly supported in a (pick one) coup, revolution, uprising.
If backing the non-government faction in a civil war, ginning up support for it, providing arms and materiel, even to the level of inserting advisors on the ground in support of the faction, is “unlawful warfare” then the U.S. has a lot to answer for back during the Cold War. Again harkening back to the 1980’s, I supported the “Contra War” against the Nicaraguan Communist government, and the support given the anti-Soviet mujahadeen in Afghanistan. More recently, in wars I opposed, the U.S. (and NATO and the EU) provided support for separatist rebels in all of the wars of the Yugoslav dissolution. Should we really run up Pres. Clinton and the U.S. pilots who twice bombed civilians on a bridge in Serbia on the morning of Orthodox Pentecost on war-crimes charges? Or does fog of war somehow cover their sins, but not those of Russian-backed Eastern Ukrainian separatists.
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