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Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace? [graphics at link]
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/was-flight-mh-17-diverted-over-restricted-airspace ^

Posted on 07/18/2014 4:30:53 AM PDT by Perdogg

While there are various questions that have already emerged from what was supposed to be Ukraine's "slam dunk" proof confirming Russian rebel involvement in today's MH-17 tragedy, perhaps one just as gaping question emerges when one looks at what is clearly an outlier flight path in today's final, and tragic, departure of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777.

Perhaps the best visualization of what the issue is, comes from Vagelis Karmiros who has collated all the recent MH-17 flight paths as tracked by Flightaware and shows that while all ten most recent paths pass safely well south of the Donetsk region, and cross the zone above the Sea of Azov, it was only today's tragic flight that passed straight overhead Donetsk.

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17; ukraine
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To: McGruff

Are you sick twisted Putin KGB nut-jobs happy!

Now your posting the More KGB fed Misinformation here !

You need to get removed from this site.

You Putin groupies are Sick !

Your using the deaths of 80 children for your Evil Putin propaganda campaign !


21 posted on 07/18/2014 5:36:46 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: GBA

No just 80 children and a bunch if innocent that the SICK Putin groupies here like to use to spread more crazy KGB misinformation for !


22 posted on 07/18/2014 5:41:31 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: ncalburt

Are you saying that the flight path depicted on the screen capture is incorrect or are you saying that the plane was not under Kiev air control?


23 posted on 07/18/2014 5:45:04 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Always A Marine

The separatist shot down an AN_26 which has a service ceiling of 25,000 ft. The airliner was cruising at 33,000 ft. Why would the separatists shoot down an aircraft traveling thousands of feet higher than the supposed targeted AN_26?


24 posted on 07/18/2014 5:45:16 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Always A Marine
I do not see any way that Russia might benefit from deliberately shooting down a civilian airliner.

I do not see any way how your analysis should begin with, "who benefits?"

25 posted on 07/18/2014 5:46:38 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Well, so far we have given the Ukrainians MRE’s and CIA people. I think they’re looking for a bit more support.


26 posted on 07/18/2014 5:48:49 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Perdogg

Of course there is no mention in the article that the official NO FLY ZONE is over Crimea and southeastern Ukraine — south of Donetsk.

So where are they supposed to fly to get back to Kuala Lumpur???


27 posted on 07/18/2014 5:50:16 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: GBA

Around 100 Attendees Heading To Australia AIDS Conference Among Victims Of Downed Malaysia Flight
CBS ^ | July 17, 2014

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3181889/posts


28 posted on 07/18/2014 5:51:06 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (There's no there there.)
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To: Perdogg
Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?

My question would be who restricted it and how was the word of the restriction made known?

29 posted on 07/18/2014 5:51:37 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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bttt


30 posted on 07/18/2014 5:53:20 AM PDT by deport
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To: Uncle Chip
Who decided this was a good flight path to take? Ukrainian flight controllers?

Notice all of todays flights are avoiding the area, some by flying over Russian territory.

31 posted on 07/18/2014 5:54:19 AM PDT by McGruff (If you are foul mouthed troll don't expect a reply to your rants.)
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To: dforest

Makes one wonder about the air traffic controllers there. WOW! Is there a ‘death wish’ for an incident that would start a world war?


32 posted on 07/18/2014 5:54:42 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Perdogg

Common Sense Don`ts during Wartime

1. Do not let your kids play on a beach.
2. Do not stay in your house.
3. Do not stand in the street.
4. Do not fly over a war zone.

Do`s during Wartime Bombings.

1. Leave the country.
3. Get thee to a bomb shelter
2. Dig a deep 60 foot hole


33 posted on 07/18/2014 5:56:27 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits n firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Mashood

Good question, Mashood. I doubt the separatists have the same level of familiarity with the Buk/SA-17 system that the Russian and Ukrainian armies have, or that they have established safeguard protocols in place like most professional armed forces do. The separatists are at war with the Kiev government and want to shoot down Ukrainian aircraft to further demoralize the Ukrainian armed forces and reduce their will to fight.


34 posted on 07/18/2014 6:00:17 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: McGruff
Who decided this was a good flight path to take? Ukrainian flight controllers?

Are you for real???

The flight plan was approved by Malaysian Airlines and it shifted a little north to avoid a storm.

BTW how high were those Ukrainian planes flying when shot down???

I doubt they were at 33,000 feet or even close.

35 posted on 07/18/2014 6:06:08 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Perdogg

Not taking any sides here!!! I would say this devastating slaughter of innocents is smacking of the “hogwash” that surfaced immediately on the first Malaysian Airlines aircraft disappearance. At the tiem Obama refused to demand that USA aviation authories & investigators get involved in the investigation in Malaysia....I said this inquiry would wind up being joke and the aircraft cause, plus the aircraft itself would never be found!!! And...I was right on target!!!

I will keep my powder dry on this one too!!! IMHO...Obama will voice some words...but will do nothing meaningful, simply because he does not care....Satan never does!!! We are a long way away from finding out the real truth of this most tragic event!!! The USA is both gutlees & leaderless....that’s the problem!!!


36 posted on 07/18/2014 6:12:39 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: Perdogg

Kiev deployed powerful anti-air missile systems to E. Ukraine before Malaysian plane crash http://on.rt.com/ce150o

Hmmm.


37 posted on 07/18/2014 6:13:13 AM PDT by McGruff (If you are foul mouthed troll don't expect a reply to your rants.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Every analysis should begin with “Who benefits?” It is often the clearest path to the truth, as it frames the conflicting motives of the overt (obvious) and covert (hidden / agents provacateur) players. The evidence might point to an intentional act by either side, or to the unintended consequence by either, or to a third party. My first suspicion is that the separatists thought they were shooting at another Ukrainian military transport, especially since most civil aviation had been routed away from the area. Perhaps we’ll know one day, but perhaps we won’t.


38 posted on 07/18/2014 6:13:16 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

The Russians don’t just hand over sophisticated weapon systems, then walk away. They provide “advisors”, whether military or civilian to assure that the systems are being used properly and are functioning properly...the information and data is accurate... Etc... Same as the US.


39 posted on 07/18/2014 6:14:27 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Perdogg

On Thursday, when a Malaysian Airlines plane was apparently shot down over Ukraine, a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region, the Russian Defense Ministry said, contradicting Kiev’s statements.

The battery was deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner, the ministry said in a statement. It said radiation from the battery’s radar was detected by the Russian military

http://rt.com/news/173784-ukraine-plane-malaysian-russia/

Double Hmmm.


40 posted on 07/18/2014 6:17:25 AM PDT by McGruff (If you are foul mouthed troll don't expect a reply to your rants.)
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