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To: 1rudeboy

Russia has nothing to gain by downing a passenger jet.

Russia would only look bad by downing a passenger jet.

The financial elites that run America, UK and Europe, however, do want to gin up support for overt US military action in Ukraine.

America, as new world order’s largest military machine, has the capability to turn the tide and bolster up NWO’s puppet government in Kiev so they can officially sign Ukraine into the EU.

So the real beneficiary of a passenger jet being blown out of the sky over Ukraine is the US/UK/Europe governments and their “backers”.

Russia, of course, is also run by new world order, as it has always had “international” elite investors and traders, it just politely keeps this fact quiet so the American sheeple don’t get wind of the fact that the same globalist monopolists are actually running the show in both Russia AND the US.

It’s obvious that the passenger jet blowup, with the coordinated internet push for American to “do something”, is really just about that.

The American sheeple are slowly starting to catch on, however, so we’re left with so much hype that does not “fly” much any more.

American sheeple have practically zero trust remaining of the US intelligence community.

US intel on the one hand claims that it has fantastical capabilities and that it is absolutely necessary to prevent attacks, then they come across as clueless when attacks happen anyway, after trillions spent, and their only answer at that point is a call for war. We could have the same result by spending zero on intelligence.

Meanwhile, US intel provides the technical machinery to the US government to enable a police state that focuses ALL its real efforts on developing methods of tracking Americans interested in Christianity and guns.

We’ve heard this stupid tune too many times to continue to believe it.


38 posted on 07/17/2014 10:01:31 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Good grief. Chances are it was an accident. It wasn’t the Rothschilds.


41 posted on 07/17/2014 10:04:24 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: PieterCasparzen

then they come across as clueless when attacks happen anyway, after trillions spent, and their only answer at that point is a call for war.


In TX we used to avoid all those silver coins spent by simply telling the judge ‘he needed killin’. It was a legitimate defense for all our history, maybe even still today in a few areas.


44 posted on 07/17/2014 10:11:51 PM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: PieterCasparzen

You’re a shameless Putin apologists. Did you support him when he was with the KGB and did you then support the Gulag? Why do you post on an American Conservative website if you favor an autocrat?


50 posted on 07/18/2014 12:03:18 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Russia has nothing to gain by downing a passenger jet.

Russia would only look bad by downing a passenger jet.

Yes, indeed. It's wrong to shoot down passenger planes - malum in se.

There is no defense or explanation that is adequate. And, there's no way to undo what has been done.

People now see the real Putin and just how reckless he has been. I've never been able to understand how some people could admire or defend the guy. He's a thug and a puke.

52 posted on 07/18/2014 12:10:39 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Not trying to defend Putin and the Yahoos who shot down the plane, but Ukraine may not be totally blameless here.

The plane was taking an unusual northerly route which would have put it over the war zone.

Is it possible that Ukrainian ATC diverted the plane into an area of rebel SAM activity. The motivation being that the rebels would screw up, shot it down and and cause an international incident?

Pretty cold blooded, but I wouldn’t put it past the parties here.


69 posted on 07/18/2014 4:22:24 AM PDT by rbg81
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