Posted on 07/17/2014 11:51:19 AM PDT by Hostage
HARRISON COUNTY, MS (WLOX) - WLOX News has learned that Chris McDaniel's campaign will not have access to Harrison County poll books. The Mississippi Supreme Court rejected McDaniel's petition for a court order to demand that Harrison County Circuit Clerk Gayle Parker release poll books from the June 24 Republican Party primary runoff election.
The court ruled that there is no legal requirement that poll books be included in the contents of ballot boxes. The order released on Thursday said poll books should be considered official records of all persons qualified to vote in a particular county and should be properly preserved by the circuit clerk.
The court also found that the circuit clerk must redact all voters' social security numbers, telephone numbers, birth date and age information before the records can be examined.
God still is. Satan still is not.
Well, that is EXACTLY what this regime AND the Ruling Class expect, want and are hoping for.
They want their justification to do what all genocidal tyrants desire to do to those whom oppose them and whom they have targeted for punishment and eradication.
What do you think all those billions of round sod hollow-point rounds of ammo are stockpiled for, along with MRAPS, TANKS and APCs being distributed to police departments and alphabets?
They certainly ARE NOT For the invasion being orchestrated by the regime in power and its sycophants in Congress and the GOP Establishment.
They are redacted by people loyal to Cochran-Barbour. There is already evidence of that. Clerks are on video record denouncing McDaniel and saying he should use the redacted records the same as Cochran. And Cochran’s campaign said they only found about 1000 irregularities.
Redacted ‘copies’ could never be trusted to reflect the real original materials. There is too much corruption in the background to ever allow redacted copies to be admittes as evidence.
Best to go with the more than 10,000 pages of documented fraud and at the same time move to join the TTV federal lawsuit to get access to the original poll books which tell unequivocally the story.
And note that the original poll books implicate potentially tens of thousands of democrat voters in vote fraud.
At issue is whether a Mississippi court must admit evidence (original poll books) after the deadline.
This is why the federal injunction order must state that the review results of the original poll books must be admitted.
If he has the money, he should do that. He doesn't need voters' DOBs or SSNs to prove that they voted in both the Republican and Democratic primaries. But I suspect he doesn't have the money, or else he would not have pursued the mandamus filing.
2. Concede
He won't. And if he really has evidence of illegal votes, he shouldn't.
3. Take the mountain of evidence in possession now and file the legal challenge to the election. His attorney's said yesterday enough evidence exists to challenge the election and that they will challenge it.
If he has enough evidence to challenge the election, he should do that, and I'm sure he will. But I suspect he doesn't have quite enough evidence yet to overturn the election, because otherwise he would have filed the election challenge already and wouldn't have been pursuing the mandamus route. Time will tell.
4. Join the True The Vote lawsuit in federal court and obtain the nonredacted original poll books.
The argument for obtaining unredacted voter rolls is stronger under federal law than Mississippi law, so this is certainly an option for him. Downside is that federal court moves slowly, and he may not have enough time to wait for a federal decision.
5. Obtain a federal injunction allowing for an independent campaign or a write-in campaign.
Not a serious option, IMHO. "Sore loser" laws like Mississippi's have been upheld against constitutional challenges.
You can view them, just not the voters' SSNs and DOBs.
I trust that you are prepared to have Him judge your arrogance.
It's linked on post 14 of this thread.
My guess is that the court worked a literal reading of the statutes, which provides for access to the ballots (only).
Correct, that's what they said.
Dirty Judges? In Mississiippppiii?
I’m shocked.
He gives us options for our fate.
We seal out own.
Virtually every person in every position that is in a position to deal with this matter was put into that position courtesy of the Mississippi GOPe. Who do you think they’re going to rule in favor of?
If you are the GOP, you might need to keep the books to commit some fraud or another against conservatives.
We seal our own. Oops
By "deadline" I assume you mean the challenge filing deadline, the one 12 days after certification.
It's somewhat an axiom of law, that the law won't require a person to do something that is literally impossible. So, if it is impossible to produce all the evidence before filing the challenge, the law won't require it. Most suits are notice based, where the challenge/claim doesn't contain the evidence, but asserts it can be gathered. Then comes discovery, with a deadline that is later than the date of filing the suit in the first place.
There is no way to determine the absence of invalid crossover votes without viewing the pollbooks; and from what I heard yesterday in the presser, many of the election officials used the wrong pollbook out of ignorance, so could not even detect an illegal crossover.
I certainly appreciate the urge to have all the ducks lined up before filing the challenge, but I'm not convinced that doing so is a requirement even under Mississippi law.
In reply to your comment on option 1, see #44.
In reply to your comment on option 4, federal courts do not allow their decisions to be rendered moot due to state procedural deadlines. Federal ‘Tolling’ provisions in effect put states in suspension until a federal order has been entered, and then the time clock starts clicking on the next court day following the order.
Further to option 4, federal courts hearing election cases understand the importance of time and will accommodate high profile cases to an expedited schedule.
In reply to your comment on option 5, there are many federal court rulings upholding serious substantial candidates for federal office. These cases hinge on noy allowing state laws to foreclose on a serious candidate’s options and on not disenfranchising a large number of voters who voted for a candidate for federal office. In this case there are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of voters who would be disenfranchised.
And this is why the TTV federal lawsuit is crucial now.
Thanks for that reply. I had heard of Barbour for years, but didn’t realize he was a Democrat previously.
Election law is structured different from normal axioms.
Federal courts do not allow their decisions to be rendered moot due to state procedural deadlines. Federal ‘Tolling’ provisions in effect put states in suspension until a federal order has been entered, and then the time clock starts clicking on the next court day following the order.
My point is that the TTV lawsuit order needs to have this tolling provision included. Otherwise if MS courts play games which I think is probable here, then it’s back to federal court to amend the order and that wastes lots of time.
This is the final say as far as the Mississippi state courts are concerned. Two of 9 justices recused themselves. (I'm guessing because of close ties to Cochran, but that's just a guess.) The remaining justices split 4-3 (4 holding that McDaniel has no right to examine unredacted voter rolls, and 3 saying that the Court should hear more evidence before deciding the case). So you had a quorum (7 of 9 justices participating), and you had a majority decision by that quorum (4-3). This is a final decision of the Mississippi Supreme Court.
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