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To: Mat_Helm
The Vincennes personnel had the same IFF info. Mistakes were made. There are reports the recent shoot down of the AN-26 in Ukraine was from a missile inside Russia. Who knows.

Many of these separatists have been previously identified as Spetznas personnel. It's my feeling a great deal of them are Russian regulars operating with more than just tacit approval.

310 posted on 07/17/2014 10:26:33 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: edpc

Many of these separatists have been previously identified as Spetznas personnel. It’s my feeling a great deal of them are Russian regulars operating with more than just tacit approval.


Early today Ukraine reported capturing some Russian regular troops w/o insignia. So called Green Men. Obviously that news got blown over by the airliner shoot down. We’ll hear more about that later.


329 posted on 07/17/2014 10:40:06 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: edpc

“The Vincennes personnel had the same IFF info.”

Reports at the time indicated the Iranian civilian airliner failed to use the transponder signals which indicated a civilian aircraft, which gave the USS Vincennes too little time to take alternative actions to defend against a hostile Iranian aircraft targeting the naval task force defended by the USS Vincennes.

In this case, Flight MH17 should have had a properly working transponder identifying it as a neutral civilian airliner, and the SAM launcher should have seen this civilian transponder code displayed on its targeting radar system. So, either the transponder and/or the targeting radar failed to function properly, or the SAM launcher attacked the aircraft despite the transponder identifying the aircraft as a neutral civilian airliner. My guess is the SAM launchers shot down the aircraft by wrongly assuming it was a Ukrainian military transport aircraft using a civilian transponder code.


432 posted on 07/17/2014 11:32:19 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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