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8 Myths In The Immigration Debate: Let's Stop Saying Things That Are Not So
Red State ^ | 07/16/2014 | By: Dan McLaughlin

Posted on 07/16/2014 1:19:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 07/16/2014 1:19:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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...we should really dispense with referring to people as “illegals.”

We should call them criminals then.

2 posted on 07/16/2014 1:21:54 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Regarding #2 - anything other than deportation is amnesty.
Regarding #3 - Illegal is the appropriate label.
3 posted on 07/16/2014 1:23:03 PM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. – Robert Heinlein)
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To: SeekAndFind
The writer is not the authority or final word on the subject.

In fact his essay is mostly RINO crap.

4 posted on 07/16/2014 1:23:28 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

what, different rules than that “Climate Debate” then?


5 posted on 07/16/2014 1:26:01 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: SeekAndFind

In honor of this thread and the current “Illegals” situation, I have decided to return to my previous tagline.


6 posted on 07/16/2014 1:26:48 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: SeekAndFind

Invaders. They are invaders. Mexico has 10% of its citizens illegally living here. We should declare war on Mexico and take the appropriate actions. If the government and people of Mexico refuse to control their citizens and encourage them to invade the US, then we should invade them and take them over.


7 posted on 07/16/2014 1:28:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: SeekAndFind
"We can demand specific improvements, but any policy we enact must accept the reality that some level of border insecurity will always be with us."

Make it nine nines and let the other enforcement systems mop up the few leakages.

8 posted on 07/16/2014 1:30:26 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

Where’s the barf alert?


9 posted on 07/16/2014 1:32:25 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: SeekAndFind

this clown is pure crap!!!


10 posted on 07/16/2014 1:37:27 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: SeekAndFind

Fences work if they are enforced by appropriate measures.

11 posted on 07/16/2014 1:38:00 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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“Hispanic and Asian voters in particular tend to view the really hard-line rhetoric on this issue, the people who talk about “invaders” and hype every bad thing that can be said about illegal immigrants, the people who have a problem even with private charity aiding children and teenagers stranded at the border, as driven by racism. Fair or not, when the loudest voices in your movement have that effect, they should reconsider what they are doing, because facts or no facts, law or no law, in a democracy, one man and the truth are lonely drinking buddies.”

Here Red State sounds like the libertarians’ `Reason’ magazine.
Above in #1. `One time amnesty’ the author talks about the need to keep re-visiting this issue. That’s the problem.
Prison inmates have unkind things to say about their jailers. Who cares? They broke our law.

Illegal aliens—we could use a euphemism, but why? That’s what they are: foreigners here in knowing violation of our immigration laws—don’t have to like our laws.
We don’t have the luxury of `act utilitarianism’. The rule of law has taken it on the chin these last several years, from two presidents.

The worst thing we could do is reward lawbreakers with amnesty—we could us a euphemism here, but why...? We had about 3 million illegals in 1986. How many do the MSM admit to now: 12 million? We have 10% of Mexico’s population now. In 2024, we’ll have half of Mexico and 10% of central American.

We dislike Mexico and Mexicans, per the author? Because we object to them invading our country? Yeah, we must be racists. Enforce our laws. Period. And Red State can take a hike.


12 posted on 07/16/2014 1:44:43 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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First, I would make any violation of the law by an illegal alien a capital crime. That would run a bunch of them out. Train law enforcement officers to recognize the gang symbolism of MS13, and shoot on sight.

Second, make hiring illegal aliens punishable by 25 years in prison at hard labor, as well as confiscation of all the assets of the officers of the companies doing the hiring.

Third, I would arrest any remaining illegal aliens, and send them to civics classes, with emphasis on the rule of law. Include lessons on the history of the United States, and how it became the greatest nation the Earth has ever seen. Then I’d give them guns and send them home.


13 posted on 07/16/2014 1:46:41 PM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think this could have used a “barf alert”.


14 posted on 07/16/2014 1:47:21 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Ingtar

Criminal alien invaders.

And it’s not a “border crisis”. Mexico and other Central American nations are waging an undeclared war of aggression against these United States of America, carrying out an invasion with an ununiformed, irregular army.

We have cause to declare war against the lot, if we so desire.


15 posted on 07/16/2014 1:51:30 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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Re #2: In tax amnesties, the taxpayer is required to pay the tax due and is forgiven some or all of the interest and penalties. In a parking ticket amnesty the illegal parker has to pay the fine but is forgiven any late payment penalties. Even when the local library has an overdue book amnesty you have to return the book. By parallel construction, at the bare minimum an immigration amnesty would be where the illegal is allowed to go home and apply for legal immigration without further penalty (like permanent expulsion) or rewards (like going to the front of the line). If that is amnesty, what would the vastly more generous terms offered by the Dems be called?


16 posted on 07/16/2014 2:19:50 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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Personally, I favor a path to legalization, perhaps not full citizenship but at least lawful permanent residency for people who have made a life in this country and – other than being here illegally – have not committed any crime.

This clown is too clever by half, but he isn't fooling anyone.

Anyone who claims that civil right attorneys will not descend on DC the very next day after passing such a law waving lawsuit on behalf of these "lawful, taxpaying legal residents" demanding they be allowed full citizenship, because in America we have no second class citizens, is LYING.

17 posted on 07/16/2014 2:28:08 PM PDT by skeeter
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Why would you post a pic (1,832px × 1,213px) larger than most monitors? Waste of bandwidth.


18 posted on 07/16/2014 2:28:13 PM PDT by upchuck (The country is being billed for its own execution. ~ h/t: SpaceBar)
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there are clearly people (and not just conservatives) who think all immigration should be restricted

Yep. It should. We don't need the labor, and economically (much less socially) the country can't absorb them. Except under very narrow exceptions, our borders should be closed -- to Mexicans and everyone else.

19 posted on 07/16/2014 2:33:46 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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One of the favorite phrases used by Republican politicians is “secure the border first.”

Well, I'll put it this way. If a water fixture in my house breaks, I will first turn the water off, before replacing the faucet or other leaking part.

20 posted on 07/16/2014 2:34:30 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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