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To: Durus

Your comments are pithy, but not serious.

I don’t consider your statements intellectually honest based upon the amount of intelligence you present and knowledge you present.

You clearly know how you are playing games rather than objectively and honestly discussing properties of different classes of drugs.

Eg, the initial effects of amphetamines or opiods are not the long term side effects you mention, which are not the same as the primary and immediate affects of drugs such as pot or hallucinogens.

You can play word games, eg life changing, and your comment is of course accurate but you know that is not what is meant

Call it worldview paradigm change rather than life change.

I don’t think you really have any disagreement or misunderstanding of what I’ve been saying, but simply don’t like to look at it that way.


84 posted on 07/08/2014 8:46:37 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
My comments are not only serious but they are based on current research. There is no evidence that I have ever seen that shows cannabis changing ones "world view" or political ideology. Nor have I seen any evidence that there is a portion of the brain that controls ones political ideology. Further it appears that regular Cannabis users are all over the political spectrum which seems a problem that your theory can't account for.

Cannabis is not the same chemically and does not have the same effects as LSD, MDMA, psilocybin, and other hallucinogens. Grouping them together is convenient for your theory but doesn't explain how you think they effect a certain portion of the brain, or what portion of the brain you think controls ideology. If there were a discrete portion of the brain that made one supportive of socialist/fascist tyrannies and it could be changed via a drug you could be sure that our dear government would mandate that it be put in everything we ate, drank, breathed. They wouldn't leave it to some social movement run by stoners.

Regardless you seem to be missing a larger picture here. What is the political ideology of a teenager turning tricks to get their next fix of crack or meth? Is the person that held up a liquor store for enough cash for their next fix going to be voting Republican? What is the world-view of the old homeless alcoholic and what was the paradigm change that resulted in their being a homeless drunk rather than a productive member of society?

Your "Pot causes people to be liberal" theory just doesn't seem to hold up to any type of scrutiny.

87 posted on 07/09/2014 6:03:54 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ifinnegan; Durus
“Call it worldview paradigm change rather than life change.”

Around 200 Million people around the world use pot today and probably close to a billion have used it since the 1937 ban. Who knows how many used it in the thousands of years before.

Yet in all those years, the drug warriors could not come up with a SINGLE set of twins with ANY permanent difference from using pot. Not even ONE set of twin lab animals when exposed to impossibly high levels of the drug showed any changes. Pot prohibition is purely emotional correlation, name-calling and hysteria.

Yes, idiots, liberals and schizophrenics (but I repeat myself) are more likely to abuse drugs and openly smoke pot. Just like schizos are 5-7 times more likely to smoke tobacco than average. Does that prove tobacco or pot caused it? NO, it is simply a correlation.

The only proven danger from pot is psychological addiction but the same can be said for video games, gambling, sex, adrenaline, junk food, shopping, porn, internet, hoarding, overexercising, anorexia, etc, etc, etc. Do you really want government to control EVERYTHING potentially addictive?

I was once so addicted to junk food that I lost everything and only stopped when I almost lost my life. I think junk food makers are just as evil as drug pushers but still don't believe government should be protecting people from themselves. We are on the road to a 'pre-crime' police state because of that mentality.

88 posted on 07/09/2014 8:22:14 AM PDT by varyouga
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