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Pope's View on Legalizing Drugs: Just Say No (Francis Condemns Legalization)
AP/ABC ^ | Jun 20, 2014 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 06/20/2014 9:08:47 AM PDT by xzins

Pope Francis condemned the legalization of recreational drugs as a flawed and failed experiment as he lent his voice Friday to a debate that is raging from the United States to Uruguay.

Francis told delegates attending a Rome drug enforcement conference that even limited steps to legalize recreational drugs "are not only highly questionable from a legislative standpoint, but they fail to produce the desired effects."

Likewise, Francis said, providing addicts with drugs offered only "a veiled means of surrendering to the phenomenon."

"Let me state this in the clearest terms possible," he said. "The problem of drug use is not solved with drugs!"

Francis has described drug addiction as evil and met addicts on several occasions. When he was archbishop of Buenos Aires, he devoted much of his pastoral care to addicts.

To reject illegal drugs, he said, "one has to say 'yes' to life, 'yes' to love, 'yes' to others, 'yes' to education, 'yes' to greater job opportunities.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: drugs; francis; pope; wod
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To: ConservingFreedom
I've never met a single person in my life who stayed away from drugs because they are illegal.

Their reasons are what make it common, employment, careers, security clearances, not wanting to be criminals which is very common.

You insistence that normal people have no interest in avoiding behaviors that are criminal simply because they are criminal, is bizarre, as bizarre as your other claims.

There are tons of things that we avoid simply because they are against the law, and ONLY for that reason.

181 posted on 06/21/2014 2:55:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: xzins
If you call a trial in Iraq by islamics who will die if they didn’t kill him, then, yes, he had a trial.

So that's what you advocate we do with domestic drug masterminds?

182 posted on 06/21/2014 2:55:31 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: xzins
There is no recreational use of drugs in the bible.

There is no playing of rugby in the bible. What ought we conclude from that?

Rugby isn’t mentioned in the bible. Drugs are.

As you said, recreational use of drugs isn’t mentioned in the bible. Neither is rugby. What's the conclusion?

183 posted on 06/21/2014 2:57:24 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

People die in war in assaults.

And then afterwards they die of war crimes or crimes against humanity after a hearing by a tribunal.

Would I launch reprisals on drug cartels if I were president?

Yes, I would.


184 posted on 06/21/2014 2:57:44 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: ansel12
I can tell you that I have had many people tell me that they avoided or quit using them, or even temporarily quit using drugs because of the laws, it is common.

What many people tell you is not necessarily common, because you are only one person. Which drugs? For marijuana, it may be the case that the legal penalty is worse than the intrinsic harm.

I've never met a single person in my life who stayed away from drugs because they are illegal.

I never posted those words. Why do you post them as if I had?

And why will you not address the text I did post?

You insistence that normal people have no interest in avoiding behaviors that are criminal simply because they are criminal, is bizarre, as bizarre as your other claims.

There are tons of things that we avoid simply because they are against the law, and ONLY for that reason.

When there are much stronger reasons for avoiding an act, those are the reasons that are primary in the decision to avoid that act - nothing remotely bizarre about that, just good common sense.

185 posted on 06/21/2014 3:05:49 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: xzins
So special extrajudicial tribunals for domestic drug masterminds? Would you make the necessary amendments to the Constitution first?
186 posted on 06/21/2014 3:07:05 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Sorry, I confused your posts with post 36.

It was an easy mistake to make since you are saying something so goofy.

You insistence that normal people have no interest in avoiding behaviors that are criminal simply because they are criminal, is bizarre, as bizarre as your other claims.

There are tons of things that we avoid simply because they are against the law, and ONLY for that reason.


187 posted on 06/21/2014 3:11:08 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ConservingFreedom

If you recall, at the beginning of this conversation, the issue was a real war and not a phony war. I already said that war should be declared by Congress.

(Reprisals are also Constitutional upon receipt of a letter from Congress.)


188 posted on 06/21/2014 3:11:39 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Still flat out wrong.


189 posted on 06/21/2014 3:15:49 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: narses

At this point I do not need your assent to show that you are, in fact, what you accuse.


190 posted on 06/21/2014 3:17:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

191 posted on 06/21/2014 3:19:36 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: narses

192 posted on 06/21/2014 3:19:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ansel12
A poster here opposes the prolife movement? Who? I thought Jim Rob and the Viking Kitties zotted that sort.

I appreciate Libertarians for Life. I wouldn't care if they were Anarcho-Syndicalists, Paleo-Monarchists or Brazilian Fascists for Life: if they're against abortion and for protecting the babies, I appreciate them.

Truth-tellers are more than a website, and truth is stronger than faction.

I would appreciate it if you would ask the Admin Moderator to delete yours at #171, since it contains an untruth about me. Thank you.

193 posted on 06/21/2014 3:26:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Credulity means believing something on little evidence, on no evidence, or against the evidence.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You keep arguing to defend libertarianism and give the impression it isn’t pro-abortion and a threat to the GOP pro-life platform.

You also keep pretending that Libertarians for Life amounts to something.

Doris Gordon, an atheist, founded Libertarians For Life in 1976. In 1988, the Libertarians For Life attempted to change the Libertarian Party position on abortion, so it would be similar to the party’s 1988 presidential nominee, Ron Paul.

Libertarians for Life site:
Group Information
Members :127
Category :
Libertarian
Founded :Nov 18, 1999


194 posted on 06/21/2014 3:36:15 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Read post 80, and read the thread, see if you can find someone who opposes our pro-life politics and efforts.


195 posted on 06/21/2014 3:38:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Once more you keep on being a one trick pony, like the caricatures you keep crafting.


196 posted on 06/21/2014 3:39:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ansel12
When there are much stronger reasons for avoiding an act, those are the reasons that are primary in the decision to avoid that act - nothing remotely bizarre about that, just good common sense.
197 posted on 06/21/2014 3:42:45 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

You need to loosen up a little bit, not everyone agrees with you that pot, or the occasional use of any drug, is so deadly that they avoid it only for that reason.

As with many things in life, many avoid them because of the laws and their careers, and reputations, it is also the reason few people saw the barrel off their shotgun so that they can carry it concealed, it is the law that keeps them from doing it.


198 posted on 06/21/2014 3:48:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: xzins
I already said that war should be declared by Congress.

(Reprisals are also Constitutional upon receipt of a letter from Congress.)

So declarations of war or letters of reprisal are to be issued against domestic targets? Talk about a living Constitution ... Al Gore got nuthin' on you.

199 posted on 06/21/2014 3:49:26 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ansel12
not everyone agrees with you that pot, or the occasional use of any drug, is so deadly that they avoid it only for that reason.

I explicitly excepted marijuana - and I never said "only", Have fun debating the voices in your head.

(Good to hear a Drug Warrior acknowledge that pot, and the occasional use of other drugs, is not deadly, though.)

200 posted on 06/21/2014 3:52:56 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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