Posted on 06/20/2014 9:08:47 AM PDT by xzins
Pope Francis condemned the legalization of recreational drugs as a flawed and failed experiment as he lent his voice Friday to a debate that is raging from the United States to Uruguay.
Francis told delegates attending a Rome drug enforcement conference that even limited steps to legalize recreational drugs "are not only highly questionable from a legislative standpoint, but they fail to produce the desired effects."
Likewise, Francis said, providing addicts with drugs offered only "a veiled means of surrendering to the phenomenon."
"Let me state this in the clearest terms possible," he said. "The problem of drug use is not solved with drugs!"
Francis has described drug addiction as evil and met addicts on several occasions. When he was archbishop of Buenos Aires, he devoted much of his pastoral care to addicts.
To reject illegal drugs, he said, "one has to say 'yes' to life, 'yes' to love, 'yes' to others, 'yes' to education, 'yes' to greater job opportunities.
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That is the libertarian position on abortion.
Zero limits, zero limitations, zero discussion, just do as you please, and you are free to advertise and market it as much as you want.
When a libertarian approaches you to try and convince you that he is SO pro-life, SO devoutly Christian that he is SO pure that he even opposes any politics to try to ban abortion because it is a diversion from Christ, just remember what the libertarian position on abortion is, and how that holier than thou Christian claims that conservatives and pro-lifers are interfering with the true Christian politics of libertarianism.
Care to see their position on the gay agenda, where you hear the same “God”, “Bible”, “Christian” message of ‘don’t oppose it, don’t fight it’?
Right, we could eliminate something like 90% of opium by dropping several nukes on Afghanistan [IIRC].
Sadly, we didn’t honor the troops who gave their lives and time in this most recent war on terror by having that national commitment. Instead, we were at B-Dubs eating chicken wings and watching football. The way we fought this war has cost us a large chunk of our soul.
The War on Drugs
and War on Terror
are both unwinnable — they have no victory condition
.
Moreover, they are both used to justify ignoring the Constitution — NSA domestic spying? Hey, do you want Terrorists to win? Warrantless Searches/Home-Invasions? Hey, do you want the druggies to win?
IMO, it's constraining soldiers to obey the Constitution, and then forcing the Constitution to not matter that is really.
The prevailing underlying concept, in 'laws' and in general 'duty' is that they only apply when convenient
. IOW, it's a very corrupt do what I say, not what I do
-style setup.
Agreed,
You read that differently than do I.
But, fwiw, onewingshark, I think you are seeing something worth pursuing.
Thank you.
You don't want to see and overbearing government directing peoples' personal decisions, and you don't want that over-bearing government wasting lives and resources in a lying campaign.
I agree with that.
I'll take the pain pill to deaden pain, but I won't take it to deaden life.
I think we're pretty much in-agreement/reached-understanding.
Why keep defending libertarians for some strange reason as they drive America and the GOP to the left and give a new approach and a new vocabulary to promoting abortion and gay marriage to conservatives, and now WITHIN the GOP itself as they fight to force social liberalism on us.
You don’t have to keep telling me about some people you personally know, and you don’t need to link to that fig leaf of a dead site that is 15 years old and has had 127 members sign up for the forum, and which has no meaning in this discussion at all and has no meaning whatsoever except to serve as a link to distract people with.
The libertarians are not at war to defeat conservatism, because they are also conservative and pro-life.
I love pro-life libertarians, whether there are 2 or 20 or 127, because they tell the truth, they win every argument on evidence and logic, and they annoy the liver and spleen out of the 'borts.
Yeah and we love pro-life democrats and pro-life gays, what is your point? You didn’t even know the libertarian position on abortion and didn’t know about that site being useless, yet here you are, fighting for the name libertarian.
Why fight the accurate message about libertarianism and promote their cause, by fighting for their name when it comes up?
Are you going to keep bringing up pro-life democrats if I point out to you that they are a threat to pro-life, pro-marriage conservatism?
AFAIK the pro-life position is more consistent with Libertarian thought.
Holy Spirit filled, however.
By the way “your own pope” is a deliberate distortion. It’s “No pope required.”
We’ve been through this drill before: your reaction is “Do not bore me with the facts, my mind is made up.” Which speaks for itself. So a big yawn back to you.
I read The Book. You are wrong, I am right. Q.E.D.
You did not listen to the Author. You listened to men.
Wrong. Again. Your understanding of the plain reading of Scripture is flawed, badly flawed. You listen to your own odd voices and end up wrong.
Government should be kept out of the matter of abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
Source: National platform adopted at Denver L.P. convention , May 30, 2008
Abortion is a woman’s choice and does not concern the state
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that libertarians can hold good-faith views on both sides, we believe the government should be kept out of the question. We condemn state-funded abortions. It is particularly harsh to force someone who believes that abortion is murder to pay for another’s abortion. It is the right of the woman, not the state, to decide the desirability of prenatal testing, Caesarean births, fetal surgery, and/or home births.
Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party , Jul 2, 2000
“My own odd voices” actually agree with the bulk of recorded devouts.
You are the one with the odd voice that says the gospel is in chains to men.
Nope. The vast majority of Christendom, from the Apostles to now agree with me. You are a tinny and tiny minority.
Only by your tendentious definition of “Christendom.”
Luther pull your guys’ fat out of the fire — by giving you something to be jealous of. Imperfect as it was. I notice all the borrowing that the Catholic church now does from the Evangelical hymnal.
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