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To: JimSEA
Wow, simply wow. I never said anything about lying or believing or not believing you. However, you decide to question my veracity on the thesis, then turn around and make me out to be the pathological liar.

As for the radiometric dating, Richard Leakey did that specific “testing” regime for skull 1470 and the KBS tuff. He shopped the testing around until he got the dates he wanted, ignoring other evidence found in the dig.

As for geological bodies which could not have formed, do some real studies of the deposits laid down by the St Helen's volcanic explosion. Many of the geological formations you might be talking about were formed within a few weeks to a few months by the hydrological processes there.

And I really am bothered how you keep turning this back onto me personally. I am not a Luddite and understand that the oil and metals I use daily come from the work of science in the field. But I do know there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

29 posted on 06/07/2014 8:51:08 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: wbarmy

Then Leakey didn’t follow scientific procedure. So? Does that somehow disprove the procedure he wasn’t following.

I do believe that the physical processes (gravity, speed of light, etc.) we observe now also applied in the past. Uniformitarianism. That does not mean that geological processes cannot occur quite quickly. Of course new rock was formed very quickly at St. Helens. Strata of rock were laid down in hours. The lower layers of ash became rock strata with the pressure of the ash above accomplishing what might take a great deal of time otherwise.

Lahars also entrap trees, animals, etc. However they do not immediately become fossils if they ever do. The most likely result is the formation of casts with the flesh or wood rotting away afterwards. You can see lots of examples of that in Pompeii.

There are clearly catastrophic events, some of which have happened quickly and changed much. The Boxing Day Tsunami created several strata that is or in some cases has become rock, mudstone or sandstone. None of that disproves uniformitarianism as these events, like St. Helens, conformed to natural law. Nor do any of these occurrences raise questions about deep time.


30 posted on 06/07/2014 10:24:25 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: wbarmy

Thinking about the situation with Leakey a little bit more, sampling protocol in radiometric dating can be difficult. Clastic rock can give data that, at first glance makes no sense. Lava picks up pieces of older rock on the way up so you can get valid results for a sample that only make sense if you are sampling older rock included in new rock. The zircon crystal dated as the oldest rock was part of a clastic rock. As a related aside, diamonds are picked up by kimberlite lava on the way up from fairly deep in the mantel and, thus are crystals predating the lava in which they are found.

Now I am not saying that clastic rocks were Leakey’s reason for going back and redoing dates but it’s likely.


31 posted on 06/07/2014 10:45:41 AM PDT by JimSEA
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