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To: DiogenesLamp
A government which tolerates widespread usage of drugs cannot survive

There's no reason to think drug use would be much more widespread under legalization than it is now; and our government and many others have handily survived fairly widespread use of the drug alcohol.

it is exactly what happened in China.

Different culture, different circumstances. For the long period that opiates were legal in this country, nothing of the sort happened.

it didn't work at Platzspitz in Switzerland.

So let's not repeat micro-legalization in only one small area, which does nothing to address the key problem of supplier profits being inflated and restricted to criminals.

111 posted on 06/05/2014 6:36:03 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
There's no reason to think drug use would be much more widespread under legalization than it is now; and our government and many others have handily survived fairly widespread use of the drug alcohol.

Are you on drugs? Of COURSE there is a reason to think drug use would be more widespread under legalization. It has already happened before! What is utterly idiotic is the belief that it won't happen again.

Different culture, different circumstances. For the long period that opiates were legal in this country, nothing of the sort happened.

I have pointed out China's experience with drugs for about 8 years now, and every time I do it, someone tries to assert that "different culture" made China vulnerable, but Americans would be immune. This is an utterly nonsensical exclusion of the role of physiology in drug addiction, and it's very much like saying poison gas won't work on someone because they have a different culture.

It is such a stupid claim, that I cannot believe people are willing to actually say it. And to cap it off, you repeat that utter nonsense about "opiates were legal in this country, nothing of the sort happened." That statement is either a deliberate lie, or the result of astonishing ignorance on the topic. Yes, opiates were here, and people were getting addicted to them. Look up the deaths caused by laudanum. It never got as bad as China BECAUSE WE STOPPED IT BEFORE IT GOT THAT BAD.

So let's not repeat micro-legalization in only one small area, which does nothing to address the key problem of supplier profits being inflated and restricted to criminals.

Yes, if we are going to make a horrible blunder, let it be a massive one. The Communists also used to claim that Communism didn't work only because freedom existed on the other side of the border. No, Communism wouldn't work no matter on how large of a scale that you attempt it. Legalized Drugs won't either, but one has to have a comprehension of time periods longer than a toker's childhood to grasp that the theory breaks down on long time scales.

112 posted on 06/05/2014 7:20:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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