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Voters in California contemplate forming new state
AP / Yahoo! ^ | May 28, 2014 | Juliet Williams

Posted on 05/28/2014 3:24:13 PM PDT by bamahead

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Residents of California's largely rural, agrarian and politically conservative far northern counties long ago got used to feeling ignored in the state Capitol and out of sync with major urban areas.

The idea of forming their own state has been a topic among local secession dreamers for more than a century. Residents in two counties will have a chance to voice that sentiment next week.

Voters in Del Norte and Tehama, with a combined population of about 91,000, will decide June 3 on an advisory measure that asks each county's board of supervisors to join a wider effort to form a 51st state named Jefferson.

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Many state-of-Jefferson meetings are held in conjunction with tea party groups, who share similar concerns over what Siskiyou County Supervisor Marcia Armstrong calls "so many nanny laws" coming from Sacramento.

"We are very libertarian in view, and we believe that people would have freedom to make their own choices as long as they don't impose on other people's rights," she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; freestate; jefferson; sixcalifornias; slavestate
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So let's look at California as a microcosm, and just think of what will happen if the 'National Popular Vote aka- Ignore the Electoral College' initiative takes off in a land ruled by leftists...
1 posted on 05/28/2014 3:24:13 PM PDT by bamahead
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"We are very libertarian in view, and we believe that people would have freedom to make their own choices as long as they don't impose on other people's rights," she said.



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2 posted on 05/28/2014 3:24:47 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

Can’t say I blame them. I know several people from Northern California and they are surprisingly sane. I’d gladly trade them for Austin, which would fit right in with Southern California.


3 posted on 05/28/2014 3:32:07 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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...an advisory measure that asks each county's board of supervisors to join a wider effort to form a 51st state named Jefferson.

Ok by me.

Upstate South Carolina, Northern Georgia, Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina already have dibs on the State of Franklin.
4 posted on 05/28/2014 3:35:02 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: bamahead

Not only is their ZERO chance of that it’s just stupid. ALL this has done is ensure that every LibTard here will vote. They know they are going to win anyway so some would sit it out. But this ensures they won’t.

And on the merits, it’s moronic.


5 posted on 05/28/2014 3:36:29 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: bamahead

It’s a great plan as long as the State of Jefferson produces two Republican US Senators and several GOP members of Congress.

If so, conservative areas of other Democratic states should be allowed to become their own state.

It would at the very least help the GOP win presidential elections.


6 posted on 05/28/2014 3:40:39 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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I just had to post more. Time wasted on stuff like this just upsets me. SO SO SO much about which we can focus our energies. SO many great Conservative ideas.

Why don’t we just Balkanize the entire U.S.? How about the State of Austin? It certainly makes complete sense to split my old state of VA into 3. I bet we could split the U.S. into 300 states or more just based on the fact that “we don’t believe what you do”.

While we waste time with conspiracy theories and this kind of lunacy the Republic crumbles.


7 posted on 05/28/2014 3:40:50 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

I think it’s kind of silly to chop up California.


8 posted on 05/28/2014 3:42:56 PM PDT by Libertynotfree (Over spending, Over taxes, and Over regulation)
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It’s a non-starter in any event, because no State can be split up without the consent of its legislature (U.S. Constitution, Article IV, section 3), and the California legislature isn’t going to consent.


9 posted on 05/28/2014 3:47:40 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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I have a very good friend who lives in San Bernardino. She was anti-gun until about a year or so ago, when she woke up. She has since become an NRA-certified instructor and runs her own women’s firearms training company, in addition to her regular job. I couldn’t believe what she told me last night. In California, in order for a handgun to be legal to sell, it has to be on the official “roster” of handguns approved by the state. She said that guns come off the roster all the time for various reasons, and that if a gun manufacturer wants to submit a new gun or a new revision to get it put back on the roster, it costs $1 million to do that - even if the change is as simple as changing the color. Sure enough, she sent me the link to the roster, and it’s right there in black and white.

Is this constitutional? Obviously not. Is there anyone in California that will do anything about it? LOL


10 posted on 05/28/2014 3:48:35 PM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: bamahead

Washington and Oregon have the same problem. East of the Cascade Mountains is farming and very conservative while the Western part of the states where the cities are is ultra liberal, -think San Francisco liberal. The farmers on the East side feel left out of government. The state lines should follow the mountain crest. We could have two new conservative States up here.


11 posted on 05/28/2014 3:48:40 PM PDT by Vinylly (?%)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Great post.
Another pipe dream, time waster.


12 posted on 05/28/2014 3:52:32 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Breaking up the states by county would give us 3143 states, 6386 people in the US Senate, 10,0000 or so people in the House.

The Feds would get nothing done and we would all have home rule.


13 posted on 05/28/2014 3:53:03 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: RIghtwardHo
I just had to post more. Time wasted on stuff like this just upsets me. SO SO SO much about which we can focus our energies. SO many great Conservative ideas.

Why don’t we just Balkanize the entire U.S.? How about the State of Austin? It certainly makes complete sense to split my old state of VA into 3. I bet we could split the U.S. into 300 states or more just based on the fact that “we don’t believe what you do”.

While we waste time with conspiracy theories and this kind of lunacy the Republic crumbles.


Sorry to disappoint you but North America has already been divied into a number of districts, zones, whatevers. What you see happening now is just the administration of decisions already in place. It explains why the Republican Party elite have been acting the way they have in recent years.
14 posted on 05/28/2014 3:57:14 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: bamahead

Or just blow Hollywood, San Francisco, and parts of Los Angeles to hell and save the whole state. Hey awolf will bite off its own leg to save itself...


15 posted on 05/28/2014 4:00:11 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Lurking Libertarian
and the California legislature isn’t going to consent.

Because they covet the revenue generated by the north (and it's large Indian casinos), especially in a state that is already broke.



16 posted on 05/28/2014 4:00:47 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Resettozero

i think central PA should have dibs on Franklin cuse he lived here.


17 posted on 05/28/2014 4:04:44 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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We were just up in Mt. Shasta City this weekend. Very beautiful. We saw some State of Jefferson t-shirts, some State of Jefferson books in the bookstore....and a whole bunch of hippies running around.

I think Shasta has a reputation for New Age stuff so it's probably not representative of the actual population in a possible State of Jefferson.

18 posted on 05/28/2014 4:10:38 PM PDT by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: Oliviaforever

and your problem with that is? ;-}


19 posted on 05/28/2014 4:19:25 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: bamahead

Slowly working our way towards Obama’s 57 states.


20 posted on 05/28/2014 4:23:06 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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