[Parmy]

I wasn't trying to defend teacher's pay. It is what it is. I was saying that the problems teachers have and education has begins with the leadership.

Perhaps you might reread the thread. There was no defense there or one intended.

[C. Edmund Wright]

It does not begin with the leadership though….it begins with the silly notion that government should be in the education business.

There is no such thing as a good leader of a massive bureaucratic system, unless it’s a leader who is shutting it down.