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To: Boogieman
well, if one particle is linked to the other particle and action on one causes an instant change or action to occur on the other, information has happened, so I do not accept your assumption as valid. Bell's inequality allows for exactly such transfer of information.

Put another way for thought, Jesus stepped from one where/when into our where/when then out again. He did not cease to be spatially and temporally, He just ceased being perceived in our spacetime. So, there is indication that different spatio-temporal coordinates do exist which you and I are not equipped to sense. That doesn't mean we may never find a way to sense this other spatio-temporal reality. And since we presently have no well organized conceptualization of this other spatio-temporal coordinate system we ought not make assertions like you make setting "c" as a limit.

Information is mediated by the spatio-temporal coordinate system of our perception via electromagnetic properties we are designed to sense. This design appears to limit our sensing absed upon photon characteristics. But if we do not have all the characteristics of how photons may impact other spatio-temporal coordinate systems then we have something about time yet to be understood, as the temporal nature of the greater Universe exists. Said another way, membranes of different spatio-temporal coordinates may in fact be unsensed by our mechanism but yet exist as real as our coordinate system. These other coordinate systems will have spatial and temporal qualities. To impose the 'limit' system (photon mediated electromagnetic information) of our sensory perception upon the other system(s) is rather closed minded.

The Bible in fact contains many scenes which indicate (if you believe the Bible) there exists at least one and perhaps many different spatio-temporal coordinate systems which are as real as ours and from which someone has come and gone and come again. But that would just bore someone such as yourself. The

207 posted on 05/14/2014 1:57:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Boogieman

BTW, the EPR principle does not exclude communication one way at greater than light speed, it just precludes this information transfer from being two-way reciprocally.


208 posted on 05/14/2014 2:00:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN

“well, if one particle is linked to the other particle and action on one causes an instant change or action to occur on the other, information has happened, so I do not accept your assumption as valid. Bell’s inequality allows for exactly such transfer of information.”

This might be true, it’s an open question, however, it’s not really an open question that there is no way for humans to harness entanglement for FTL communication or travel. So, unless you are an entangled particle, it’s another irrelevant point. Or, if you can find a way to do so, you’d have disproven both special relativity and quantum mechanics, so you should be claiming your Nobel prize and not posting your screeds here on FR.


215 posted on 05/15/2014 7:41:47 AM PDT by Boogieman
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