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To: mrsmith
This is the earliest example of this exact practise I have found:

“...(S. 115) ‘‘To modify the act of the 14th of July, 1832, and all other acts imposing duties on imports,’’ introduced by Mr. Henry Clay, of Kentucky, February 12, 1833.

6 Objection was made by Mr. John Forsyth, of Georgia, and others, that the bill was not constitutional, as the Senate did not have the power to originate such a bill.

7 The bill was considered and carried to a third reading, when, on February 26, it was laid on the table,

8 the bill of the House (H. R. 641) being received in the Senate at that time. This House bill had originally been reported on December 27,

9 but, on February 25, on motion of Mr. Robert P. Letcher, of Kentucky, the Senate bill proposed by Mr. Clay had been moved as a substitute and adopted, retaining, however, the House number

10 This bill passed the Senate and became a law.

11” ... from Hind’s Precedents Chapter XLVII pg 943

With deepest apologies for modifying your post for the sake of readability.

Thank you much for your excellent post!

86 posted on 05/03/2014 9:04:03 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: publius911

Thank you, bear in mind that by 1833 the Founders were no longer running things and Henry Clay was a bit of a trickster and does not have their ‘authority’ on constitutional construction.

Logically allowing an “amendment in the nature of a substitute” by the Senate obviates the origination clause, and the House’s prerogative is not equivalent to an amendment to the constitution .

It’s the long standing practise of the body that ‘rules’ our courts though so it would take great intrepidity to strike it down.


88 posted on 05/03/2014 9:27:31 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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