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Spy Plane Fries Air Traffic Control Computers, Shuts Down LAX
NBC News ^ | May 2nd 2014 | Andrew Blankstein

Posted on 05/03/2014 1:15:20 PM PDT by george76

On Wednesday at about 2 p.m., according to sources, a U-2 spy plane, the same type of aircraft that flew high-altitude spy missions over Russia 50 years ago, passed through the airspace monitored by the L.A. Air Route Traffic Control Center in Palmdale, Calif. The L.A. Center handles landings and departures at the region’s major airports, including Los Angeles International (LAX), San Diego and Las Vegas.

The computers at the L.A. Center are programmed to keep commercial airliners and other aircraft from colliding with each other. The U-2 was flying at 60,000 feet, but the computers were attempting to keep it from colliding with planes that were actually miles beneath it.

Though the exact technical causes are not known, the spy plane’s altitude and route apparently overloaded a computer system called ERAM, which generates display data for air-traffic controllers. Back-up computer systems also failed.

As a result, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) had to stop accepting flights into airspace managed by the L.A. Center, issuing a nationwide ground stop that lasted for about an hour and affected thousands of passengers.

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There were also delays at the airports in Burbank, Long Beach, Ontario and Orange County and at other airports across the Southwestern U.S.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: California
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aircraft; airliners; aviation; u2
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To: Atlas Sneezed

I love stories like that.


41 posted on 05/03/2014 3:49:38 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I call BS.

I don't know. I was an air traffic controller for 20 years, and I never heard of anything like this.

42 posted on 05/03/2014 4:00:52 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
That typical air traffic flies around 30,000 feet and the U2 was at 60,000 just seemed to be an interesting coincidence to me with regard to binary numbers.

I understand your thinking, but it seems to me that airliners routinely go to 35000 feet, so such a problem would have been uncovered a long time ago.

43 posted on 05/03/2014 4:01:37 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Why didn't the U2 declare MARSA and leave ATC out of it?

I don't think MARSA would apply. That would be more for such things, as B-52s launching only seconds apart.

44 posted on 05/03/2014 4:02:52 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“12:01:01 AM, Jan 21, 2000...”

Jan 21???

I guess Y2K really DID mess things up.


45 posted on 05/03/2014 4:30:34 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: Mark17
What do you expect from a cook?

/johnny

46 posted on 05/03/2014 4:31:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: george76

Momma, don’t take my LAX away!


47 posted on 05/03/2014 4:33:34 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: windsorknot

I think that this story LAX credibility.


48 posted on 05/03/2014 4:36:11 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Atlas Sneezed

I was thinking of that story when I read this, and was going to reply “has the SR71 never flown past there?”


49 posted on 05/03/2014 4:45:09 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: george76

Sounds like a real WOPR to me.


50 posted on 05/03/2014 4:52:47 PM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Same here.


51 posted on 05/03/2014 4:53:01 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
What do you expect from a cook?

LOL. Thank goodness I only controlled airplanes for 20 years. I couldn't take it any longer.

52 posted on 05/03/2014 4:56:01 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Mark17
Cooks always have an answer and a direction to go.

They aren't always 100% correct. ;)

/johnny

53 posted on 05/03/2014 5:25:20 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Cooks always have an answer and a direction to go

Roger that :-)

54 posted on 05/03/2014 5:58:39 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Atlas Sneezed

love It!


55 posted on 05/03/2014 6:08:13 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: george76; All

Hmmmmmmm ..??

Was this a test of a new weapon ..???????? A new weapon which will fry everything ..??


56 posted on 05/03/2014 6:19:27 PM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: george76
This was simply controller error that exposed a programming error.

The U-2's altitude was 60,000+, also known as OTP/600, but the controller, in error, entered the assigned altitude as OTP. This prompted the processing of flight strips and route processing in every altitude stratum. Also ERAM (a newish system) for some reason also processed as an inbound to every airport along the filed route (a loooong way). ERAM detected it was making an error, couldn't figure out why, and simply gave up (crashed).

It did not cause any aircraft to get close to each other, but the computer failure did cause lengthy delays.

By the way, I had 35 years as enroute ATC.

57 posted on 05/03/2014 7:46:49 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Civil air traffic has been able to fly above 40,000 ft for decades.


58 posted on 05/03/2014 7:54:47 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: george76

And it was only about a month ago that Obama had the radar on the SE coast shut down.


59 posted on 05/03/2014 7:59:35 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Atlas Sneezed

Here’s the other end of the scale:

“How Slow Can An SR-71 Fly?”

http://www.pirep.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=35804


60 posted on 05/03/2014 8:06:32 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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