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To: ansel12
Romulus is perhaps the most right wing, traditionalist Catholic on FR. This means he is against torture when it could possibly be of benefit to any Jew at any time, and especially in the Holy Land.

His opinions of the torture accusations against various Catholic strongmen in Latin America have never been recorded. But then, at one time all such figures regarded the Israelis as being the ultimate bosses of International Communism and the Arabs as their fellow anti-Communists. Some people still believe it.

Ironically, I have always been against torture for a very practical reason: if you hurt someone badly enough you can get them to say anything in order to get you to stop, and any such "confession" is useless.

The main issue in any such case is of course Divine Law, and while I don't know what it is in that case, I doubt it approves.

I'm not a fan of torture, but I despise "palaeo" hypocrisy on the subject. And other subjects (hawks vs. doves, eg).

139 posted on 04/30/2014 4:59:40 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Ironically, I have always been against torture for a very practical reason: if you hurt someone badly enough you can get them to say anything in order to get you to stop, and any such "confession" is useless.

That applies anyway, torture or no torture, Intelligence and professional interrogation is not made useless because someone discovers lying.

Interrogation is not based on the premise that a secret agent or a source of information is not allowed to lie, or that you have no idea what to ask them, or how to discern lies from truth.

They don't just grab a guy and tell him "you look interesting, tell us something, anything, about anything, we don't know or care, we just want to hear stuff, then we will dispatch a SEAL team behind enemy lines, or a high risk bombing raid, or call off a presidential trip for no particular reason, just your say-so".

144 posted on 04/30/2014 5:22:44 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

* Romulus is perhaps the most right wing, traditionalist Catholic on FR.*

That’s DEFINITELY going into my trophy case. Bless you, ZC.


170 posted on 04/30/2014 7:54:12 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Zionist Conspirator

*I’m not a fan of torture*

Not even if it could possibly be of benefit to a Jew, especially in the Holy Land?

I despise hypocrisy too, ZC— of all sorts


171 posted on 04/30/2014 7:59:36 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I have always been against torture for a very practical reason: if you hurt someone badly enough you can get them to say anything in order to get you to stop, and any such "confession" is useless.

Indeed. The professionals who gather and analyze intelligence (as opposed to people yammering to each other on the internet and speaking in front of convention peanut galleries) know that the effective approach is to psychologically manipulate the subject so that the normal impulses of man-as-social-animal include the interrogator as part of his social group. This may take the form of "Stockholm Syndrome", genunine conversion, or something in between, but it works and it doesn't take as much time or effort as one might think.

177 posted on 05/01/2014 6:42:03 AM PDT by Flame Retardant (If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism: Ronald Reagan)
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