Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Mr Rogers
I don't mind how you count them. 1976 to 2000 or 1954 to 2013 or 1971 to 2010. Because it is multi-use, grazing will and has diminished

It is multi use. Not grazers only. If you want to you can read the entire FLPMA, its online.

Congress(legislative branch) writes the legislation(FLPMA). The BLM(executive branch) administers and enforces. The courts(judicial branch) arbitrates the conflicts.

But the Posse Comitatus people like you, Bundy, and many others don't recognize the govt(3 branches) so you want to say what the level of grazing will be, or what will or will not be national monuments, or what the endangered species will be, etc, etc. Even though Congress has enacted legislation to deal with all these issues. Congress passed the Antiquities Act, the Endangered Species Act, and FLPMA.

The reality is that disputes between grazers and BLM are few and mostly minor. But there are a very small number like Bundy or Hage who are Posse Comitatus itching for a fight. Consequently, you don't see any other grazers in the trench with Bundy, only militia and oathkeepers.

63 posted on 04/26/2014 1:46:22 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies ]


To: Ben Ficklin

“The reality is that disputes between grazers and BLM are few and mostly minor.”

You don’t know any ranchers, do you...

“Because it is multi-use, grazing will and has diminished...”

Nope. There is no logical reason why grazing must diminish, unless it it being restricted by people who hate ranchers. It is entirely possible to graze on national mnuments & parks, or should be. The national monument north of me has thousands of sq miles of land that no tourist ever sees. It could be used.

Wilderness areas are a myth. They do not exist except as an artificial construct. They are biologically meaningless. The Wilderness area closest to me had to have paved roads removed so they could pretend it was wilderness. The wilderness area that the USFS is using as an excuse to deny Tombstone AZ water was created a hundred years after the water lines were set.

Many endangered species need to go extinct. It is what happens to species. Those that cannot adapt, go extinct. But in many cases, environmentalists are using the law to try to restrict any human activity. It has no basis in science, but is a useful tool for extremists to stop humans from using land - public land.

“Consequently, you don’t see any other grazers in the trench with Bundy, only militia and oathkeepers.”

If you had met the folks there, you might understand your error. The ranchers in the west are being squeezed out of public land by environmental extremists who lie and twist the law in an attempt to prevent ‘evil man’ from ‘wounding Mother Gaia’.

I agree that Congress is the one who needs to be held accountable. However, I also agree that the land should be turned over to the states, because Arizona, Utah & Nevada can manage their land better than Washington DC!


64 posted on 04/26/2014 2:06:31 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies ]

To: Ben Ficklin

You are wrong - in certain areas - Nevada is one - the conflict between grazers and the BLM is nearly continuous. Hage had no problems with the BLM in California. He was warned about them when he considered buying his ranch in Nevada. He assumed he would have the same, or similar relationship in Nevada. He was wrong.

In Nevada, the grazing easements often predate and supersede any BLM claims. These easement are like any other - they are in place regardless of who owns the land. Hage won the case brought against him by the BLM in resounding fashion. Don’t dare try to marginalize those men by characterizing them falsely. The federal judge in U.S. v Hage slapped the BLM and the USFS down for their mistreatment of Hage and his family. The BLM was required to restore Hage’s grazing numbers to their full historic allotment - which was more than the Hages ever grazed, I believe. They cannot reduce that allotment by more than 25% without court approval, they cannot reduce the allotment permanently, and they are not allowed to contact the Hages directly - such was the nefarious nature of the feds’ behavior.

I don’t know where you get your information, and I don’t care - you are either ignorant about Nevada grazing law, or deliberately lying. And your characterization of Hage and Bundy being without support from other grazers is completely untrue. The Hages had the support of nearly every grazer in Nevada. If the support was not public, it was due to BLM intimidation - which has also been documented.

Most BLM field employees in Nevada know next to nothing about range management - they told my brother that his cattle overgrazed his allotment which is only open during the plant dormancy period. They also tried to claim that greasewood chopped by a bushhog for roadside maintenance was affected differently than greasewood browsed by cattle during the same period. Let me see if you understand the foolishness of their arguments.

How long have you been employed by the BLM?


83 posted on 04/27/2014 1:57:38 AM PDT by GilesB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson