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To: rjsimmon
Can you prove that's real?.. It's a "still frame from the 1919 documentary film Auction of Souls, which portrayed eye witnessed events from the Armenian Genocide, including crucified Christian girls."

A woman claims to have seen this. It is from a movie. It portrays what she claims to have seen.

No one denies the massive deaths resulting from the Ottoman Empire war with Armenia among others.-- especially from the actions of the Ottoman Empire against Armenians living in Turkey.

RE: genocide

Regulars may tire of seeing this (below) but as far as I know it is still true; to wit, the issue of the "genocide" is for the purposes of pursuing world opinion to increase chances that a world "court" will order the modern Republic of Turkey to turn over territory and wealth to Armenia.

As far a I recall Turkey does not deny the horrors but will not describe it as genocide. Turkey also disputes the death count and points to the huge number of Turks killed during the W.W.I hostilities that had Russia and Armenia battling Germany and the Ottoman Empire.

It would be far better IMO if Armenia would just come out and admit this rather than year-after-year, country-after-country demand resolutions condemning modern Turkey for something that happened 100 years ago before modern Turkey existed. To wit,

Recognition of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is a secondary issue – interview with Harut Sassounian

"the admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is an issue of secondary importance for us. The following issue must be raised: a cruel crime was committed against the Armenian people. The whole nation was actually annihilated, our lands were seized and our 3,000-year-old culture was destroyed. This is not only a cruel crime, but also a great injustice. Therefore, our true demand is compensation for this injustice. The world must know about what happened, and we have to a great extent succeeded. The Turkish side is well aware that the step to follow the admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey will be a demand for compensation and return of the lands. This is the reason why Turkey will not admit the Armenian Genocide . . . ."

So what happens now? the Kurds also demand the same territory -- who by the way were also guilty of murdering thousands of Armenians -- as well was Kaiser Wilhelm II German Emperor aware and, some say, abetted the attempted extermination of Russia's ally, the Armenians.

BTW, speaking of murdering the Armenian Christians and destroying Armenian culture -- how many Christians were killed when the Bolsheviks took over and, I think, made Armenia the first Soviet "republic" established outside of Russia?

7 posted on 04/24/2014 12:49:16 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Can you prove that's real?.. It's a "still frame from the 1919 documentary film Auction of Souls, which portrayed eye witnessed events from the Armenian Genocide, including crucified Christian girls."

It was a still from the movie, which came from a book by an eye witness. Her description of the evil that occurred is irrefutible and quite detailed.

No one denies the massive deaths resulting from the Ottoman Empire war with Armenia among others.-- especially from the actions of the Ottoman Empire against Armenians living in Turkey.

For decades Turkey denied the massacre ever occurred. Turkey Denial

8 posted on 04/24/2014 12:57:03 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Words are funny, aren't they. Mostly addressing the question of using the term genocide relative to the murder of Armenian Christians, it's worth remembering that the term genocide was coined by Rafał Lemkin, a Jewish lawyer in Warsaw in the 20s/30s, last century. Very odd fellow, ended up in America through a circuitous route after being wounded in the Nazi invasion, and was a singular advocate for the concept of genocide, and the adoption of the Genocide Convention (nice concept, but the UN is worthless).

His initial motivation, the slaugheter of Armenian Christians. Along with the massacure of Assyrians in Iraq in the 1930s. His conclusions in the early 30s pointed to the events to envelop the continent, particularly religious groups. His family didn't listen.

To the inventor of the term, the Turks, whether one considers them Ottomans or Young, committed genocide.

To what matter it is today, I don't know. To the UN, I give you Africa, genocide means nothing.

15 posted on 04/24/2014 7:14:08 PM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we donÂ’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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