Normally pure libertarians are for 100% open borders and for firing the Border Patrol and INS, it is in the libertarian party platform.
Posted on 04/23/2014 11:28:17 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
Excerpt of the face off between Rand Paul and David Axelrod at the University of Chicago:
RAND PAUL: Education historically was a state and local subject and I think that what we've seen is since we've spent about a hundred billion dollars in the Department of Education each year and that's been going on since 1980. I'm not so sure we're better off than we were before. You see, the one thing --
DAVID AXELROD: So you would vote for a budget that would eliminate most of that.
RAND PAUL: Well what I would do is I would have its spent on the state and local level. I wouldn't take it up there at all, I'd leave it at leave it at home. So you'd spend the money. You might still spend the money in your state government, but education even now, 90, 95-percent of your education dollars are state and local. That $100 billion gets rolled around in a big bureaucracy. They sent rules down that don't help education, they hinder innovation. I would cut them out of the loop. I don't think you'd notice if the whole department was gone tomorrow.
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
As a conservative, my goal is to see that they don't attain that left wing goal, no matter what vocabulary they use to promote it and campaign for it.
""Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism""
I’d vote for him in a heart beat.
“As a conservative, my goal is to see that they don’t attain that left wing goal, no matter what vocabulary they use to promote it and campaign for it.”
Right. The general difference between libertarians and conservatives is religion, religious issues, or societal issues. The two are shoulder to shoulder on a number of issues but on some they differ.
I used to listen to Neal Boortz every day, who’s a libertarian, but after the 2012 election, when he blamed conservatives for the republicans loss, I didn’t listen to a word he said again. Because we conservatives knew all along that Romney and his ilk would lose. We supported LITERALLY everybody but him throughout the primaries. But it was to be Romney and Romney it was to be no matter what we did or said. The consequences were the fault of the moderate establishment, who we all know backs loser after loser.
Libertarianism is anti-God, and anti-American, and is a different approach to destroy conservatism and support the left.
Don’t you think a presidential candidate should oppose gay marriage in the military, federal employment, and immigration for reasons that don’t have anything to do with “religion”?
Paul has come out calling on the GOP to abandon it’s fight against it and social issues in general, social conservatism is the only path to limited and small government, social liberalism only leads to more social liberal voting, which means more moving to the left.
Paul is foremost a politician, the second oldest profession, which profession is sadly similar to the oldest.
Department of Education is a massive scam... always has been..
It’s NOT A MISTAKE it’s a SCAM....
Was always meant to be a scam and will remain a scam UNTIL..
It’s proponents have PROSECUTED.. and jailed..
Until then.......... the thievery will go on..
Until the people elect pro-constitution presidents long enough to appoint 5 pro-constitution justices to the SC, the laws won’t change.
You might like this book. It’s been a very long time since I read it.
Passionate pro-life presidents like Reagan and George W, had very powerful effects on pro-life efforts, and pro-life politics save lives.
When a politician becomes a campaigner against the pro-life movement, and starts undermining it, he is causing deaths, and weakening the movement, and undermining the party platform, which is a deliberate action that Rand Paul has taken as he has already started campaigning against the social conservative platform.
“”On January 22, thousands gathered on the National Mall in Washington for the annual March for Life that takes place on the date that Roe v. Wade was decided by the Supreme Court.
The same week, the Republican National Committee decided that it was time for the national party to wade back into the pro-life waters after a perceived hiatus from using it as a platform issue. A “Resolution on Republican Pro-Life Strategy” formally re-established abortion as a 2014 election issue for the party and seeks to push back on the “war on women” rhetoric that Democrats have made synonymous with the pro-life movement.
The RNC clearly believes once again that a prominent pro-life position plays well with voters. Perhaps the national party has taken note of what’s happening at the state level. Twenty-four states enacted 53 anti-abortion measures in 2013 alone.
Research from the pro-choice Guttmacher Institute shows that in the last three years, states have enacted an unprecedented 205 different abortion restrictions. This was made possible by the fact that over half of the states in the union have pro-life governors and pro-life majorities in their legislatures.””
“Amnesty plan”
Still waiting for your rebuttal to this:
Cruz Tries to Claim the Middle Ground on Immigration
“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Mr. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.
“I have said many times that I want to see common-sense immigration reform pass,” he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/us/cruz-tries-to-claim-the-middle-ground-on-immigration.html?_r=0
As I told you before, Cruz stands to the left of Rand on EVERY issue:
That is a bald faced lie, it has been demonstrated as an absurd and obvious lie, yet you keep peppering it in threads.
“it has been demonstrated as an absurd and obvious lie”
Nonsense. Paul is leading in every poll for a reason.
I like Cruz. He’ll probably end up as Paul’s VP.
But you are misrepresenting his positions. You are wasting your time because people will find out the truth soon enough.
Thanks for the come-back.
Yep, “dump the DOEs” could be the motto. Simply devolve their budgets back to the states.
Paul has already come out for gay marriage and against the GOP platform on social issues, that covers a huge list of issues, he is also moving left on abortion and of course his problems with the border and national defense.
“I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.”
Rand Paul is too far left for conservatives.
Thank you for the ping.
“Paul has already come out for gay marriage and against the GOP platform on social issues”
Lies and more lies.
Meanwhile, your candidate thinks it’s ok for states to legalize gay marriage if their legislature votes for it:
This legislation is to the left of the current GOP platform, but you don’t seem to have a problem with it.
I posted one of Paul’s own position statements on gay marriage.
You are totally lying about Cruz and his efforts to save DOMA, which Paul opposed and are attempting to relabel our strongest pro-marriage fight, into something the opposite.
Cruz and Lee are trying to tie the hands of the federal government and limit their gay marriage efforts, while Paul has come out with a position to support it and in fact to eliminate social conservatism by the GOP.
This is where Paul was calling for a lie down on gay marriage, before he started calling for the pro-marriage party to call off any fight at all.
Rand Paul’s Same-Sex Marriage Plan: Continue The Debate ‘For Another Couple Of Decades’
“Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) opposes same-sex marriage, but his tactics for doing so are unique. For example, last month he offered a completely unfeasible suggestion to simply erase any mention of marriage from the laws and establish all its protections through various contracts. But he really isn’t interested in taking any steps to help that along. In an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network this weekend, he expressed hope that by continuing to allow individual states to decide, the debate on same-sex marriage might continue unresolved for several decades:
PAUL: Where marriage is adjudicated, whether it’s at the federal level or at the state level, we’ve always had marriage certificates and we’ve had them at the state level. If we keep it that way, maybe we can still have the discussion go on without make the decision go all the way one way or all the way the other way.
I think right now if we say we’re only going to have a federally mandated one-man, one-woman marriage, we’re going to lose that battle because the country is going the other way right now. If we were to say each state can decide, I think a good 25, 30 states still do believe in traditional marriage, and maybe we allow that debate to go on for another couple of decades and see if we can still win back the hearts and minds of people.”
In typical contrast between a conservative and a libertarian, Paul is trying to find ways to make gay marriage permanent, and Ted Cruz is seeking ways to oppose it and wound it, in the hopes of defeating it.
After he, Palin, and conservatives lost on DOMA, which Rand was on Obama’s pro-gay marriage side on, Cruz came up quickly with legislation to continue the fight.
“”Teabagger Senators Cruz & Lee Introduce Bill To Ban Feds From Recognizing Out-Of-State Same-Sex Marriages
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Teabagistan) and Sen. Mike Lee (R-Teabagistan) today jointly introduced a bill that limits the federal government to only recognizing same-sex marriages that are conducted legally in the state where the married couple resides. Last month a similar House bill, written by the Family Research Council, was introduced by Rep. Randy Weber.””
Normally pure libertarians are for 100% open borders and for firing the Border Patrol and INS, it is in the libertarian party platform.
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