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To: PapaNew; P-Marlowe

I’ve not shifted the subject. The subject all along has been your homosexual Christian friend who continues to live with his homosexual partner engaging in homosexual practice.

I’m saying that without repentance of that lifestyle and rejection of it, that person is a wolf among sheep.

Paul says in 1 Co 6 that homosexuals had become Christian and also says those continuing the practice will not inherit the kingdom of God.

If Jesus says that wolves will enter the flock, then we should look for wolves in the flock.


81 posted on 04/23/2014 5:40:38 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
Well, your first statement to me was, I don’t think it is possible to be a born again Christian and be with a homosexual partner.

That sounds like a denial of salvation to a sodomite who is living with his partner. From there we dealt with grace, faith, and "preconditions" for salvation. From your statements now, it sounds like you grant that a sodomite may become a born-again Christian. Well, that was the point of my argument.

So now it looks like you're saying even though a sodomite can be born again, he can't continue in his "gay" lifestyle and if he does...? What? He loses his salvation?

So now, at least for me, we're shifting to the issue of walking and living by the same grace by which we're saved, which for me is a different subject than I've focused on, but very important because it's the key to victory or defeat in a believer's life and is the very heart of the gospel of grace and the "faith that was once delivered to the saints" which we should "earnestly contend for" (Jude 3).

Paul says in 1 Co 6 that homosexuals had become Christian and also says those continuing the practice will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Don't miss the first thing he says, "the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor 6:9). So the question becomes whether you can be righteous and then lose your righteousness. This begs the question, what is the Bible definition of righteousness?

It is clear that the Bible definition of righteousness is not our good works or anything that we do. "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe" (Rom 3:21-22). Righteousness is not a work of man but a gift from God. "For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ" (Rom 5:17).

So are we still under the Old Covenant of the curse of the law which condemns you? No, we are under the new covenant whereby " you are not under the law but under grace" (Rom 6:14) and "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us" (Gal 3:13). What is the New Covenant? It is this: "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he says, a new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away." (Heb 8:12). Jesus said "It is finished" and God promises He does not remember our sins or iniquities. Our continuing salvation does not depend on OUR works, but on Jesus PERFECT work on the cross - he has done it all. The Christian life is not DO, but DONE. THAT is the gospel of grace and understanding and resting in his finished work will, as Jesus promised, "set you free."

85 posted on 04/23/2014 9:53:51 AM PDT by PapaNew
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