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To: MarDav

If you say so then I must have made a serious mistake thinking your questions were genuine coming from someone truly looking for answers.

Obviously I didn’t know much about your posting style, and I sincerely regret not having done all the necessary research before replying.


869 posted on 04/27/2014 8:06:15 PM PDT by sun7
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To: sun7

That’s fine. My previous posts indicate that I have already found the answers...I have absolute confidence in “the scriptures which are able to make one wise unto salvation.” A loving God has communicated His character and nature to us through scripture. John writes:
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
and later...
Joh 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

A loving God has removed all doubt about eternal life:
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

It is exclusive...exclusively God’s. Notice no reference to a religion, a denomination, a sect. It is a straightforward communication through the written word of God. God has, in Christ, reconciled the world to Himself, by making “Him, Who knew no sin to be made sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.” Scripture tells us that you and I have no claim to heaven because of our sin. You and I can do nothing to justify ourselves in God’s eyes. Our sin render us unrighteous in the eyes of a Holy God. God cannot ignore sin (for He is just). Sin’s penalty must be paid for in order for the sinner to be justified. An Old Testament verse I was attempting to get A_Perfect_Lady to consider that deals with our unrighteousness is:

Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

The righteous servant spoken of here is One who CAN justify others—it speaks of one who is apart from sin (for who can justify himself when he, himself is unrighteous), it speaks of Christ. Lady rejects this. The Jews (both today’s and yesterday’s) have rejected this (except for some - a faithful remnant.) This, in part, is the gospel/good news that is presented in the Old Testament/New Testament scriptures. You either accept it as such or you don’t. There is no hemming and hawing. It is what it is. I, and a number of others on this particular thread, have all indicated that their confidence in belief in God stems from reading and believing in the communication God has sent forth - His Word (which, by the way is how John refers to Christ in the opening of his gospel.) This is the what and the how of my belief in God. I have never once mentioned a group or “religion.”

My questions were really more of a challenge to you to truly look at what you believe and upon what it is that causes you to believe so. You were positing statements about God that indicate some level of confidence, yet these clearly conflict with the God revealed in the bible. I was trying to get you to articulate where your statements of faith are anchored. The heaven-bound saint finds a righteousness not his own in Christ that clothes him/her for heaven. It does not come from any personal belief/idea/understanding he/she has. It does not come from a church or a dogma. It does not come from self-justification. It comes from God in Christ as revealed by His word.


870 posted on 04/28/2014 3:53:49 AM PDT by MarDav
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