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To: A_perfect_lady; All

Quoting me: “If, as you believe, Christ is not the messiah Israel was to be waiting for, has he [messiah] appeared yet? The answer would have to be “No,” as we see no evidence of his kingdom having been established. Well, since he has not yet appeared...”

You said, “No, and never will.”

This, then should conclude the matter for all. You have been discussing, questioning, examining an ancient text for almost a week that you say you can have no confidence in (”No, I’m not contemplating ‘the word of God.’ I’m reading old texts from a foreign culture in a foreign language, translated by others from foreign cultures through the ages, until they are as we see them today. It’s like trying to figure out Mayan text: hard. But not to be taken as literal”). You have been asking how messiah is to be identified. You’ve repeatedly asked what proof-texts support NT notions of messiah, have been furnished with OT evidences (most of which you’ve ignored or simply indicated your preferred understanding of these - as if these MUST be correct) and now you would say you don’t believe such a person (messiah) did/does/will ever exist! Others have suggested that you have only been playing games here; apparently they are correct. You have shown yourself to be a fraud.


813 posted on 04/24/2014 6:33:10 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: MarDav
You’ve repeatedly asked what proof-texts support NT notions of messiah, have been furnished with OT evidences (most of which you’ve ignored or simply indicated your preferred understanding of these - as if these MUST be correct) and now you would say you don’t believe such a person (messiah) did/does/will ever exist! Others have suggested that you have only been playing games here; apparently they are correct. You have shown yourself to be a fraud.

No, I have shown myself to be curious as to why the Jews of Jesus' time acted the way they did. Obvious answer: Jesus was campaigning to be the next King of Israel. He altered his biography to fit their expectations (Bethlehem, David, Solomon.) Some believed him and followed. Others didn't, and killed him. Later, Paul took this story, changed the meaning of it all, and became the head of his own little cult. Said cult has grown into the Christian religion.

814 posted on 04/24/2014 6:37:01 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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