Posted on 04/17/2014 11:35:37 AM PDT by SkyPilot
Multiple attestation by the four Gospel authors.
Women found the empty tomb. This is more than a little embarrassing to the men who wrote the Gospels in this male dominated culture.
....”Christianity is a new and separate religion from Judaism”....
I prefer to say it’s ‘a continuation’ since Jesus is the Messiah they look for.....most simply cannot identify Him just as some could not when he was with them.
‘Christianity excludes no man’ who chooses to acknowledge Jesus is the savior, the Messiah, God in the flesh, and the only way to escape from what is to come......regardless of their prior religion or lack of. Judaism basically excluded Gentils so if you weren’t Jewish you were doomed....Jesus, himself Jewish, bridged the gap between all men and God....the way is open for any to come who wills to.
By which you mean the Old and New Testament. But the Jews of Jesus' time didn't have the New Testament yet, did they?
To wonder why they would not be looking for the kind of redeemer/king/messiah that Christ represented amid the nation’s continual rejection of God at every turn is a bit amusing.
Yes, you recognize that the concept of the Messiah as you know him didn't exist yet. Good.
As you are concerned with the kind of king they were looking for, take a look at the story in 1st Samuel where they began to try to fashion themselves (in their own image) as a people like the nations around them:
I'm not asking whether they were right to want a king. I'm asking did they think one was coming, and how did they expect to identify him?
The nation of Israel was looking for these earthly kings to bring peace to the nation, but more times than not, troubles ensued (wars, captivities, etc.) They were looking for a human king to “deliver” them.
Yes. And how did they expect to identify this king when he appeared?
Wow, that reads like a Hollywood screenplay! Very engaging! But no matter how you parse it, it comes down to this: Jesus would not claim to be the Son of God when he was on trial for his life. Therefore, he was clearly not a willing sacrifice.
Agreed, and I also agree with you that Christ fulfilled the Spring feasts, including Passover. He was the sacrificed lamb. In fact, at the 9th hour that day, the priest sacrificed a lamb that day as they did each year, but as we know they also sacrificed Him. I agree with you said regarding the Fall feasts, and that is why I believe the rapture could take place in the autumn (obviously I believe in a pre-tribulation all rapture). Peace to you.
Christ went through several trials. When asked by the High priest if he was the Messiah He responded “I am.” The High Priest tore his ropes, ended the trial, labeled Jesus a blasphemer, and condemned Him. He didn’t deny who He was.
Agree. Never one word of the slightest appreciation about how numerous people took time out of their holy week to genuinely try to respond to her and explain with references. Nooo, because there is nothing that can be said that she will believe, her heart is that hardened. Sad.
As someone said earlier, apparently she just isn't meant to know.
Yes, that's what I thought. Is there anything independent of the Bible that corroborates these accounts? And do the accounts themselves match up? Let's see...
Mark says 3 women came and the tomb was already open with a man in white inside.
Matthew says it was 2 women, there was an earthquake, an angel moved the rock, and two soldiers were witnesses but they told everyone that the body was stolen.
Luke says it was 3 women, but one was different from who Mark says she was, the tomb was open, and two men tell them Jesus is risen.
John says Mary Magdalene visits the tomb and finds the stone rolled away. She tells Peter and "the beloved disciple", who run to the tomb and find the grave-clothes, then go home. Mary sees two angels and then Jesus, whom she does not recognize.
Now, compare that to the Gospel accounts of Jesus before Pilate. They are much more consistent there. Why? Logical answer: It really happened, and it was public record, where there's not much room for artistic license.
That's right. Because the High Priest didn't have the authority to sentence him to death.
I think there are many people today who want to see Jesus but the cares and distractions of life have "taken Him away, and 'they no longer can see him' either....until they too cannot see through their tears while they seek Him...
Mary couldn't identify her Jesus, crying eyes distort ones vision, ......until he said her name....Mary....
I said thank you to Raycpa in post #53, to Elsie in #257, to SouthernClaire in #316, to ClearCase_guy in #408, and to SouthernClaire again in #409. But I have noticed that some people on here don't read very closely.
If you look back over my post I only referenced the OT. By referring to the “entire word of God” I was directing you to the OT scriptures that pre-date Israel.
My “amusement” had to do with the idea that your expectations of Israel, that they would somehow become “spiritually minded” when throughout their history they show themselves to be otherwise.
Finally, You’ve missed the point about Israel’s “looking for a king”. They were content to be like the nations around them (demonstrating this by their desire for a king). Their wanting a king shows that they were already outside of god’s desire for them (God Himself was to be their Sovereign). Were they looking for a king? I suppose. Were they looking for God’ s Chosen One? Except for a small remnant, no.
Yes, with over 450 posts over a holiday weekend, I suppose that is true to one extent or another. Some of us actually do have a life..
Sure. But you were looking at them from the perspective of one who knows the NT. I'm asking you to look through them as if it is 5 years before Jesus was even born. You're a Jewish man in Jerusalem, looking resentfully around at the Roman soldiers and occupiers, and all you have to go on are the words of prophets from years gone by. From THAT perspective, who is the Messiah?
My “amusement” had to do with the idea that your expectations of Israel, that they would somehow become “spiritually minded” when throughout their history they show themselves to be otherwise.
Then you have completely misunderstood me. I do NOT expect anything different from them. In this, they are behaving exactly how anyone would expect. I don't judge them at all. You do.
Finally, You’ve missed the point about Israel’s “looking for a king”. They were content to be like the nations around them (demonstrating this by their desire for a king)... Were they looking for a king? I suppose. Were they looking for God’ s Chosen One? Except for a small remnant, no.
That's right! That's exactly right! Halleluja, someone finally gets it. That is exactly what their mindset was. Before we go any further... are we agreed up to this point?
I am glad you have a life, because I wouldn’t want to see you trying to earn a living at online debate.
Any true event told by multiple witnesses will always have discrepancies in minor details but consistency in major details (such as the empty tomb).
I’m starting to get the sense you’re not looking for the truth—you’ve merely accepted your own version and are scrambling for any bits and pieces lying around to prop it up with.
I first knew Him as Savior, then this progressed to counselor, teacher....and later on a touching moment as “Father” (my dad died at 4 yrs.old). So you are correct...His name and all those which identify Him cover ones entire lifetime and every event of.
He is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End...The everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.... He is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world,.. He is the God of Israel, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...The Christ, The Messiah,The Bright and Morning Star...He is Creator, Deliverer and Comforter, Our great High Priest and Prophet... The Lion of the Tribe of Judah!... .... He is the Great I AM...King of Kings and Lord of Lords.....the name above all other names..JESUS! and there is no other!....Alleluia!
Right you are, Prairiebreeze. It cost precious time that could have been used to help people truly wanting to know the truth rather than dealing with someone denying what’s before their very eyes for sport.
This comment, “I have not yet begun to fight. ;^)” in Post 418 pretty much says it all. What’s the fight for and what is the prize to be other than insulting the Lord? And to make the matter even worse, the Lord Who is not believed in to begin with.
I’m sorry I wasted good time, but I am thankful for the restraint given me to not have stated what I really felt. One less thing I need to ask forgiveness for today. ;-)
Not only do I have a life here, I have the promise of life after death, a life everlasting. Which, (it saddens me to post), is much more than you can say.
You’ve certainly shown us what you’re made of.
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Enjoy your Strong Delusion.
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