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To: ansel12; HiTech RedNeck; Jim Robinson

“Why you would say something as bizarre as you did about him representing the majority of Freepers views, and then instead of describing that majority view as being for traditional marriage, life, and opposing the gay agenda, you described us as, against the “death penalty” for homosexual sex, is sickly dishonest, there is no interest or thought or discussion about the “death penalty” for homosexuals.”

I have. I have pointed out that the Bible says that homosexual sex is a crime that deserves death. The Bible also allows for the possibility of mercy when the death penalty is what we deserve. HiTech RedNeck and you apparently share the same opinion as most Freepers that homosexual sex should not warrant a death penalty. I can respect that and your reasons for it. I am not going to hurl accusations like you are making just because the majority does not agree with me on how I understand the Bible on this topic.

But when the homosexual movement evolves into a new Nazi-like entity, God’s laws about homosexual sex will not seem so radical to those suffering at the hands of people unrestrained by conscience or empathy. We are very close when all fifty states allow homosexuals to be foster and adoptive parents. This is child abuse, and we as a society stand condemned for allowing it to get this far.

We condemn Muslim countries for the abuses of some of their members (and rightly so), but we do not generally accept our own moral failure for such horrible evils. I think our founders would be ashamed of us for being so taken up with food, entertainment, money and comforts of this world that we have never drawn the line in the sand and said enough is enough. We think it is a shame that abortion is legal, it makes us angry that our tax dollars are used to torture and murder, it makes us uncomfortable to think homosexual may be destroying the lives of innocent children because our legal system places children in their care; but ranting and voting have not been enough to stop it. I count myself as not doing my part to stop this. I am not pointing fingers. But our founders, after a long time of patient tolerance finally risked everything for liberty. I think there are still Americans who follow in the same steps, and I hope I will live up to this standard when life and death choices are made.

As I have said before, at the start of this country homosexual sex was criminal with laws on the books making it a capital offense in many cases. Tolerance has taken us this far. And the problem is that MOST Freepers apparently buy into the “consenting adults” theory of morality when it comes to law. This moral position creeped into our society in the late eighteen hundreds and brought with it all of the death and destruction of homosexuality and abortion.

“HiTech makes the most Satanic, anti-God, anti-Christian posts we see, in defense of the homosexual agenda, and even abortion”

Show me the links to these posts. I have seen many posts from HiTech RedNeck and never seen any advocating abortion or homosexual conduct or so-called marriage. He states his views on his about page:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~hitechredneck/

If I am wrong, point it out and I will join you in condemning him, but I do not recall ever seeing what you are describing.

Supporting Rand Paul does not constitute supporting abortion and homosexual marriage. Rand Paul may have bad positions and even voting history on some social issues due to his libertarian views, but he not the Devil incarnate either. You may be right in thinking he will not help further our cause on these issues, but you should make your case for that rather than just write off any of his supporters as fringe. If he is the Republican presidential candidate I don’t know if I can hold my nose and vote for a poor choice of a candidate for the third (or more) time in a row.

We cannot afford to write off anyone who does not tow the line perfectly for conservatism. We MUST engage those who agree and disagree in the marketplace of reason and ideas. We must argue conservatism logically until opposing views are exposed for their error. In my mind that is the value of a forum like this one. Wrong thinking can be corrected. None of us are perfect. I have had to get straightened out my share of times. As I said before, we do not need to form any circular firing squads.


76 posted on 04/17/2014 1:19:30 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner; HiTech RedNeck
HiTech RedNeck and you apparently share the same opinion as most Freepers that homosexual sex should not warrant a death penalty. I can respect that and your reasons for it.

Wow, do you realize how nutty and out of touch you sound?

As far as the rest of your post, why don't you just try reading the thread, and see if you can see HiTech's war against politically opposing gay marriage.

HiTech's political war is against conservative politics, and in behalf of preserving gay marriage, and even abortion, on other threads.

His political activism is to end social conservative politics and to defeat conservative politics. Have you read our exchange on this thread at all?

77 posted on 04/17/2014 1:44:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: unlearner

Let me ask you, do you oppose abortion and gay marriage?

I assume the answer is yes, but tell me, do you actually and truly oppose them politically and with your vote, or do you oppose conservatism and our fight against those laws, and our preference for candidates and a party platform that opposes them?

Is your political energy and life on FR devoted to ending gay marriage and abortion politically, or in protecting them, and mocking and discouraging, and opposing pro-lifers and conservatives?


78 posted on 04/17/2014 1:52:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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