[elhombrelibre]

Wait for a real media outlet to see if there is any truth to it. I wouldn’t be surprised, though, if it was a mechanical problem or if Spetsnaz fired a manpad at a Ukrainian plane.

[knarf]

I'm staying at my son in law and daughter's house until our new one is ready

Because we're gone a lot ( dieing today from some kind of flu ... killer flu !) .. all we have is a TV that has two PBS channels.

BBC and Asian TV is covering this extensively and I wouldn't know how extreme it is if I relied on American TV or radio.

Even FR can't quite transmit the impact these other outlets are having with their live news reports

This is serious

And btw`.... does anyone ELSE get a hint of Bush/Blair with Putin/obama ?

[Bikkuri]

I’m still trying to figure out how they got an Su-27 to hover ... o.O