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To: dragnet2

You’re mixing things up and together that have nothing to do with Cliven Bundy. The guys not a hero. His legal theory as to why he won’t pay is wrong and not legally valid. It’s great that they got the government to temporarily “back down”. They’ll simply lien Bundy’s assets. This is the wrong flag to rally around.

Compare him to Otis McDonald. Otis McDonald broke no law. Otis McDonald is a real hero and worth rally around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago#Cause

As are the other three plaintiffs in the McDonald v. Chicago case: Adam Orlov - ex cop and Colleen & David Lawson - home owners with a family that includes a grandma.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/meet-otis-mcdonald-man-behind-scotus-chicago-gun-case

Are you able to see how these cases are winners, not just in the courts, but in the most important sphere: the Court of Public Opinion?

http://www.chicagoguncase.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/complaint.pdf

Read the case and you’ll see why McDonald & the other plaintiffs won. These cases radicalized the Democrats and the gun controllers laws, not the people fighting them. McDonald, Orlov and the Lawsons are heros. They’re ordinary people whom government unfairly oppressed and put at risk.

Bundy’s not like that. His legal theory is garbage. Does that mean that the Feds are right? No, they really do abuse land rights and ignore the other parties here. I am absolutely for getting the Fedgov out of the land owning business. Let the states take this over.

If you want to get to that point and win in court and win the hearts and minds of the general public Bundy’s the wrong guy with the wrong issues. That said, there are real victims out there. Let’s get them, let’s expand this issue back to where it needs to be and not get embarrassed or undermined defending a guy who is using kooky ideas and a cheat.


439 posted on 04/15/2014 4:25:16 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD; dragnet2

Oh, great - the kook is up for the morning.

Anybody too stupid to move out of Deep Blue Territory is NOT a good source of advice on this matter.


452 posted on 04/15/2014 6:26:19 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: 1010RD
If you're represented Mr. Mr. 101RD, why were tens of millions of Americans totally ignored for the past several decades when they screamed, protested, petitioned and voted for relief from this epic invasion of our country?

Do you think 25,000,000 illegals, who've created a massive national industry of fraud, have not compromised and undermined our electoral process?

You’re mixing things up and together that have nothing to do with Cliven Bundy.

Of course they do.

If you felt you were being swindled, were the target of underhanded lawyers, a government with their own private agenda's, those who have demonstrated reckless, deceitful corrupt control of others, and undermined our country, would you not also examine and question their history, their methods of operation, motives, patterns and behavior?

Or would you just bend to their questionable demands?

BTW, if this is all about money and failure to pay 1 million in tax or cow feed fees, why would the government spend 25++ million in tax dollars to conduct this massive operation against Bundy?

Would this not possibly suggest something much more is going on here?

490 posted on 04/15/2014 3:06:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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