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To: Zhang Fei

No, you don’t understand anything about how that part of the world works. Ethnicity is VERY important there, it’s not like France or America. Everyone in the USSR had their ethnicity on their identification papers. Nobody, NOBODY thought of Lenin and Trotsky as Russians. At the time, everyone in the Russian Empire understood that the communist revolution was about all the people who thought the previous government had oppressed them getting revenge. Ethnic politics was a big part of that and it was no secret.

It’s absurd to suggest that not considering Stalin an ethnic Russian is something only Nazis would do. It shows how little you know about the USSR and the culture and history of that part of the world. Ironically, the Nazis probably cared less than anyone that Stalin was not ethnically Russian.

Your position is especially ridiculous because you are placing blame on one ethnic group for actions ordered by men not of that group, then insisting that the reality of who was what doesn’t matter. If that’s the case, why blame “Russians” for anything the USSR did? Why not just say “communists?” It would be more accurate.


45 posted on 04/14/2014 5:11:53 PM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: Monmouth78

Dude. It was the Russians. Georgian at the top, whatever . . . .


47 posted on 04/14/2014 5:15:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Monmouth78
Nobody, NOBODY thought of Lenin and Trotsky as Russians.

Why is Lenin's Tomb still in the Kremlin? Why are Lenin statues all over Russia? Why are Russians taking umbrage at the removal of Lenin statues in Ukraine?

Lenin had Mongol, Swedish, Jewish, German in addition to Russian blood, but his papers would have identified him as an ethnic Russian because he got that from his paternal ancestors. But to anyone but the Russian version of a Nazi, he would have been seen as plain Russian.

49 posted on 04/14/2014 5:25:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Monmouth78
Ethnicity is VERY important there...

Interesting that you say that ethnicity is very important there.

All oblasts in Ukraine including the eastern oblasts have a majority of people who are ethnic Ukrainian.

You bring up a good point.

Russia should keep their hands out of Ukraine.

Thanks for that.

50 posted on 04/14/2014 5:36:32 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Monmouth78

Catherine the Great was a German princess who ousted the original Tzar in a coup. She also happened to be the ruler who vastly extended Russian power and began the Russian occupation of Ukraine, Crimea and Poland.

For all intents and purposes, she may as well been a Russian the same way Napoleon’s identity is irrevocably tied to France even though he was ethnically an Italian.

It’s the same with Lenin and Stalin. Trotsky, less so because he was Jewish.


51 posted on 04/14/2014 5:50:22 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Monmouth78

I think I support your general thesis if I understand it... that Russians don’t see themselves as Soviets (?).

Trotsky was Ukranian, but Lenin absolutely was Russian.


52 posted on 04/14/2014 7:54:34 PM PDT by dangus
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