Posted on 04/12/2014 7:35:48 AM PDT by kindred
It blows my mind that self-proclaimed "scientific" people post on a religious thread while rejecting the presumptions of the religion. And then do so in a way that ignores the subtleties of the issue while projecting their own limited understanding on the thread. As if that's not enough, they then use it to try to justify unrelated contentious issues by piling them in as so-called examples of their first illogical presumption.
But then sophmoric people, by definition, don't know they're sophmoric.
Yeah, ok.
It’s still really stupid people looking at completely naturally-recurring phenomenon and pretending like God is sending them a message.
Spoiler alert: God isn’t talking to you through this stuff. Just like a solar eclipse isn’t a dragon eating the Sun and spitting it out, or a volcano isn’t a goddess angry that you didn’t sacrifice enough virgins.
Have a little more respect for the guy. Subtlety isn’t what he is known for.
>>> This smells a lot like astrology.
No... astrology smells a lot like the corruption of God’s word.
Gen 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Luke 21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
You’re not listening, and you’re not making the point you think you’re making.
Sorry. I am a longtime, dyed-wool dispensationalist with an intense interest in the similarities between the present and the apocalyptic future.
However, when I see "it's" when it should be "its", I stop reading, as I can reasonably assume that the writer is operating from a literacy-free zone.
Back in Moses’s day and in the time of Philo and Josephus, Passover was celebrated when the Sun was in Aries. Aries held the equinox.
But our earth’s wobble has actually changed the equinox star alignment... it is now in Pisces and the sun doesn’t enter Aries until late April- May.
Last year, the sun entered Aries on or around April 11th. There was a new moo at the same time...
I believe it will be later this month.. maybe as late as April 20th or so.. and no new moon would be seen until around the 30th of April.
Some people celebrated Passover at that time, while the sun was in Aries but I think the calendar showed it in march.
It seems the world is using April 14th this year , and the sun will be in Pisces, not Aries?
I can see the age of the fishers (pisces- two fish) of men being a divine ordination but is Aries (the Ram/lamb) one of the signs in the sky God gave Moses and unchangeable even if it is further away from equinox (still I spring)
That doesn’t happen with a new moon until May 1st in 2014...
That would change the fall feasts too.. into Libra, the scales.. which Philo mentions also.. It would fall in Virgo if April 14th is passover( which again, the virgin bride in the ‘church age’ being divinely ordained..
Could passover be made and forced to hit these blood moons by men to start something on their own?
> Don’t forget the Annular Solar Eclipse on April 29 of this year.
I’m sure the LGBT crowd will celebrate this one...
From what I understand the lunar calendar is monitored and regulated very closely by actual observance, and variation from it would be regarded as an abomination, so while someone might be tempted to manipulate in such a manner, it would not likely be without well-known and perhaps even violent protest.
Procession has long been known, understood and accounted for, even in “pop” astrology, for instance all the New Age “Age Of Aquarius” stuff going back to the sixties. So, for serious scholars pursuing the matter in a religious manner, they would not be thrown off by it.
Astrology was practically inseparable from astronomy going back two thousand years ago. That there was meaning encoded in the movement and associated phenomena of the sun, moon, planets and stars was accepted by all. It was the “science” of the day. Now, science says it’s all ordered by physical laws with no further meaning to be derived. This is in opposition to many statements in the Bible.
But, that’s where we are. I don’t think modern science is wrong about the basic ordering of the physical universe, but I do think there is a strong vein of bias against supporting any remotely religious connotation. And, I do believe that there is further meaning. It’s just that it’s all been reduced to opinionated babble with so many bad actors and so many self-interested manipulators that any meaning is very difficult to determine through all the noise and mockery.
Pagans are real superstitious about celestial coincidences, too.
They seem to be very late to understand. This was published seven years ago here on FR. Shabbat Shalom ! Who are these people ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
LOL, clever.
I just want to beat my head against the table every time this comes up.
Its not..O a random unique event is the sky, God is mad.
it is the sky is a clock..it is predictable ..the concept being its God clock when that clock chimes an hour it time for a promise event to happen..
Its fine to critique but at least understand what you critique, it will make your critique better
It like atheists talking about following sky gods, Jews and Christians do not worship a sky god
Jews and Christians worship God the Creator eternal (omnipresent, omnitemprol and ihat is the root cause of all, like physical laws)
I just shake my head when the whack jobs make that claim.
Nibiru is invisible!
BFL
This smells a lot like astrology.
:-P
Now, tetrads aren't necessarily that rare—there was one in 2003—but the fact that each blood moon in this tetrad coincides with major Jewish feast days is rare.
Not really. The Jewish calendar is a lunar based calendar and several holidays as the blogger points out, Passover and Sukkot fall in the 15 day of the Jewish lunar calendar, i.e. on a full moon. But since full lunar eclipse only happen when the moon is full, it would not be all that surprising that eclipses even sometimes tetrads, coincide with Jewish holidays.
The Jewish calendar counts from the traditional date assigned to the creation of the world. It is a lunar calendar that is adjusted to remain in relationship to the seasons of the solar year. As such the monthly calendar more or less lines up with the phases of the moon, with those Jewish holidays falling on or about the 15th of a Jewish month taking place when there is a full moon, and the beginning of a new month corresponding to the appearance of a new moon (Ex. 12:1-2).
From: http://www.northshorejewishcenter.org/services/holiday-guide/
Interesting celestial events already began this week, with the "opposition of Mars"—it's perfect alignment with the sun, and also with Earth.
Oppositions between Earth and Mars happen about every 26 months because the planets are relatively close to one another so it is not exactly a rare event.
Tuesday's blood moon happens on Passover; October's on Sukkot; next April's on Passover again, and the final blood moon of the tetrad falls on Sukkot once again. That last one is the only one that will be visible by Israel.
So? The others were just “practice”?
And:
Dickinson also notes that tetrads aren’t actually that unusual. They occur when there are four successive total lunar eclipses separated by six month periods when the Earth is directly between the Moon and the Sun, first refracting the sunlight through the atmosphere onto the Moon (making it ‘red’) and then blocking all direct illumination (the eclipse).
This isn’t even the first tetrad of this century (that was in 2003-2004) and including this one there will be seven more before the year 2100. And although it is certainly rarer for all four eclipses to coincide with Passover and Sukkot (this has happen eight times since 162 CE) this is still frequently enough to make any concurrent events of historical significance nothing more than coincidence.
Throw a dart at a calendar and you’ll find something of ‘historical significance’ happening on that day. It’s just what history is like.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/blood-moons-the-apocalypse-and-why-this-lunar-eclipse-is-nothing-more-than-coincidence-30167181.html
And I think the bolded part makes a good point. At any point in time, nearly on any given day, there is some sort of visible celestial event, planetary alignments, comets, meteor showers, “super moons”, so called “blood” moons, total lunar or solar eclipses, or a natural disaster like an earthquake, a volcanic eruption, big hurricanes and cyclones, tornado outbreak, floods, droughts, rock slides, etc., etc., etc. And history keeps happening too. There are political upheavals; the beginnings of wars, invasions, assassinations, etc., etc., etc. So at any point in time, yes one can associate a naturally occurring event happening near to some significant historical event but are they “signs” or just a coincidence? I’m going with coincidence as I also don’t believe in palm or tea leave reading or in horoscopes.
I for one am looking forward to getting up early on April 15th to stand and watch in awe the beauty of it.
Signs does not refer to mystical heebee-jeebees. Signs means calculating when to plant crops or shear sheep or calulating when tides occur. Everyday stuff like that.
>>> Signs does not refer to mystical heebee-jeebees.
LoL... you should do your research before embarrassing yourself like that.
The Hebrew translation is “owth” (Sign)
It is used for the following:
a distinguishing mark
banner
remembrance
miraculous sign
omen
warning
So YES... it does mean “mystical heebee jeebees as you put it.
Then you should not tempt God.
Deuteronomy 4:19 And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.
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