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2013 F/A-18 crash: Out of fuel, out of time and one chance to land
Stars & Stripes ^ | April 12, 2014 | Mike Hixenbaugh

Posted on 04/12/2014 5:47:40 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

The aircraft carrier Dwight D. Eisenhower was finally in sight.

The pilot of the F/A-18 Super Hornet hurriedly flipped switches and pushed levers. The aviator in the backseat leaned forward, straining to see the flight deck floating in the distance. The jet’s right engine had locked up, its landing gear jammed, the main fuel tank almost empty.

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The pilot made some quick calculations. He had 15,500 pounds of fuel in his tanks, enough to return to the Eisenhower and make six passes at the ship.

Landing in nearby Kandahar was a more prudent option, but that would likely have meant several days or more awaiting repairs. The Eisenhower’s air wing commander had decided earlier not to put a maintenance detachment in Afghanistan — a cost-saving measure pilots perceived as a signal they should attempt to divert back to the ship whenever possible.

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About the story: This report was based on an investigation into the April 8, 2013, crash of an F/A-18 Super Hornet. Names and other identifying details were redacted from the report, which was obtained by The Virginian-Pilot through a Freedom of Information Act request. The report cited questionable decision making by the pilot but did not recommend disciplinary action.

(Excerpt) Read more at stripes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: carrier; f18; foia; hornet; navair; planecrash; usnavy
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To: alloysteel
Landed in San Jose. Plane, it seemed to me hit the ground pretty hard. Asked the pilot if he would classify that as a "hard landing". "No," he said. "That was a firm landing."
21 posted on 04/12/2014 7:07:45 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Former Proud Canadian
How many aircraft did John McCain lose?

McCain didn't lose any aircraft; he knew where they were all the time. However, he did crash a few, had an accident, and had one shot down while he was on board.

22 posted on 04/12/2014 7:11:20 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: Loud Mime

Most likely JP4.


23 posted on 04/12/2014 7:19:36 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Afterguard

Read the damn article!


24 posted on 04/12/2014 7:22:34 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Timber Rattler
"....a $50 million Super Hornet and nearly their lives because of financial shenanigans in Washington."

See.......space shuttle......Challenger. Same deal.

25 posted on 04/12/2014 7:25:38 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: centurion316

“Running out of gas is always a pilot error.”

“I highly recommend reading the article. If nothing else, it will save you making a fool of yourself the next time. “

I’m not a pilot nor have any expertise with aviation as I was a mere M-16 operator while working for the Big Green Machine way back in the day. However, having said all this, just want to say that it’s my understanding that jet engines don’t burn gas. Just saying, lol :)


26 posted on 04/12/2014 7:26:51 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Usagi_yo

I understand the professional dings that the guy has taken (assuming that his name is not McCain), but for those that read the article, his questionable decisions were not related to fuel starvation.


27 posted on 04/12/2014 7:31:00 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Timber Rattler
nearby Kandahar

I'm confused. If he was choosing between landing on a carrier, I would presume that meant he was over the ocean. Yet Kandahar is in land-locked Afghanistan, hundreds of miles from any sea. How could it be considered "nearby?"

28 posted on 04/12/2014 7:36:06 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Timber Rattler

If a maverick black hole from the Andromeda galaxy sweeps out of the mysterious dark unknown of deepest space and into our Solar System, slamming unpredictably into this pale blue dot of Earth, in the moments before everyone is annihilated, one or more commanders will most likely be asked that most standard of military questions: “What did YOU do to prevent this?”


29 posted on 04/12/2014 7:42:32 AM PDT by Theophilus (.)
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To: BwanaNdege; centurion316
I defy anyone to sit in their seats for 5+ hours under these conditions and do any better. The PC made reasonable decisions, given his situation. This crew demonstrated some superior airmanship attempting to keep their aircraft flying, considering all of the things that happened to them in flight.

I'd be asking some hard questions to the air wing commander about not having assets at KAH to recover his aircraft. Seems like a no brainer to me.

30 posted on 04/12/2014 7:44:03 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Afterguard
Carrier aviation is a high risk occupation.

I worked with an older guy whose son was a Delta pilot, and had been a Naval aviator for several years prior.

He visited the office quite often, and when asked would say that - no matter how experienced the jet driver - there was always a very great "pucker factor" in carrier landings.

31 posted on 04/12/2014 7:55:43 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: TADSLOS

I don’t disagree, but the Navy doesn’t usually work that way.


32 posted on 04/12/2014 7:57:13 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Timber Rattler
The jet had flown more than 400 miles, two-thirds of the way back to the ship, when the aviators noticed another problem. The pumps that move fuel from reserve tanks on the wings into the main tanks are automatically disabled when the refueling probe is extended.

AKA an "aw crap" moment.

33 posted on 04/12/2014 8:04:03 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: centurion316

Yeah, I know.


34 posted on 04/12/2014 8:04:22 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

“How many aircraft did John McCain lose?”

Four!


35 posted on 04/12/2014 8:57:35 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Former Proud Canadian
"turbulence during re-fueling caused the basket to be ripped off. This disabled the fuel pumps so he couldn't use all his fuel."

....I think you are right. This is a very complex AC but the fouled refuel probe should have been recognized immediately as a danger ...

36 posted on 04/12/2014 8:59:59 AM PDT by virgil283
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To: virgil283

Yes, and his training would have alerted him to that, if it included this fact. If they didn’t tell him this in training, how is he supposed to know?


37 posted on 04/12/2014 9:05:48 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Afterguard

Why didn’t you bother to read the article?


38 posted on 04/12/2014 9:11:38 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
"If they didn't’t tell him this in training, how is he supposed to know?"

..... You got me there, but I can tell you this every plane made has a book on every thing possible to know about that plane. Also all emergency procedures are on laminated cards and are carried by both the pilot and the Guy In Back.

So when the probe failed the G.I.B. should have been going thru those procedures to verify what now works and what does not...[it is easy to second guess them, I do realize they were under extreme stress but you're right the training should have kicked in]

39 posted on 04/12/2014 9:16:52 AM PDT by virgil283
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To: Wonder Warthog

“....a $50 million Super Hornet and nearly their lives because of financial shenanigans in Washington.”

See.......space shuttle......Challenger. Same deal.


Actually, No.

The primary cause of the Challenger disaster was . . . Sheer Bad Luck.


40 posted on 04/12/2014 9:58:21 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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