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To: mad_as_he$$
I never said the Bundy family didn't own land in Nevada. The Bundy family owns a ranch adjacent to this land, but not this land. The Bundy family has never owned this land.

They used it for grazing cattle as open range, then paid grazing fees to use it when that became the law.

I never said anything about the BLM deeming the land closed for grazing to everybody. I said Bundy refused to renew his agreement and courts first ordered Bundy to remove his cattle nearly twenty years ago. That is true.

The fact that the BLM will not allow grazing on this range by anybody supports my statement that the Bundy family does not own this land. If 'anybody' could otherwise graze on this range by agreement with the BLM if not for the desert tortoise, it means that Bundy did not own the land.

As for water rights, can a party own water rights in a piece of property he or she doesn't own without a conveyance of those rights? How did Bundy obtain water rights in the BLM property? Water rights law is complex, especially in the the west, and I don't claim to know much about it. I've skimmed Nevada statutes on water rights but haven't looked at any case law.

86 posted on 04/09/2014 8:21:05 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: Scoutmaster
Water rights in Nevada are a State issue and have been since before the the BLM was formed (except in the Truckee and Carson River basins that are not involved in this issue). In short by closing the area the Feds have executed the beginning of a taking of a valuable asset without compensation. Open range grazing was common even when that part of Nevada was part of the territories of Arizona and Utah. You did say that Bundy wasn't paying his fees which he did pay to Clark County and they are holding in the County coffers. Bundy is no murdering open range cattle baron like you compared him to in the movie. Trust me, making a living off of a herd of 600 head is not the path to riches.
87 posted on 04/09/2014 8:32:01 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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