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To: CMAC51
...willing to push themselves...

Again, you are missing the forest for the trees. Any training program is required to be under the auspices of specific standards. These highly motivated women are responsible to prepare themselves to meet the higher standards embedded in follow-on training.

To make it a specific training regimen administered by the Corps is essentially a remedial program. To make a program specifically aimed at women further puts highly motivated males at a disadvantage.

Again, it is the trainee's responsibility to be prepared to meet the entrance standards for training they desire. Once there, they will be trained to meet the graduation criteria.

You ask what in the regulations and standards prevents the establishment of such a pre-training regimen? Nothing. But regulations similarly do not allow such an official pre-training program, and setting it up for women alone would actually be discriminatory against the individuals who are excluded.

Now, please tell me why the Corps should be held responsible for pre-training women to meet the known standards for the infantry officer's course, while men are expected to train themselves to be prepared to surpass the entrance criteria.

I'm disappointed that you feel the need to accuse me of sexism. It belies the weakness of your argument. It also underscores the idea that you do not believe that women can train themselves to such a high physical standard - no matter that men are required to do so in order to achieve the same desired results. That aspect of your position is utterly pathetic.

83 posted on 04/10/2014 8:00:25 AM PDT by MortMan (Fired the Fox - Anyone who denies religious liberty in favor of "fairness" is a fascist.)
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To: MortMan
To make it a specific training regimen administered by the Corps is essentially a remedial program. To make a program specifically aimed at women further puts highly motivated males at a disadvantage.

Refuting your leaky logic is becoming quite tiresome.

If the program is established with a specific achievement end goal with career path recognition on completion, the program would not be remedial. An equivalent program for men could be likewise instituted of course it would have different standards because the service has already established that different standards for men and women can apply as long as they do not conflict with the requirements of the job. Highly motivated males would not be at a disadvantage, they could achieve the same recognition for superior physical abilities.

Women and men already are held to differing physical standards. Whether in a segregated setting or in joint training environment, both males and females could be trained to meet their respective higher performance standard.

You ask what in the regulations and standards prevents the establishment of such a pre-training regimen? Nothing. But regulations similarly do not allow such an official pre-training program, and setting it up for women alone would actually be discriminatory against the individuals who are excluded.

Now, please tell me why the Corps should be held responsible for pre-training women to meet the known standards for the infantry officer's course, while men are expected to train themselves to be prepared to surpass the entrance criteria.

First off, the standard for the infantry officer's course is not known. As indicated in the article, efforts are made to insure that the candidate does not know what they will be facing on that first day of training.

Second, as also indicated in the article men are trained to a physical level more closely approaching the requirements of the test than women are. This occurs during their normal duty. You are saying that a woman, because she is a woman, should be required to train off duty to obtain the same training level that a male receives as part of normal duty.

I am not arguing that all women should be physically trained to a higher standard. I don't think most women would want that, especially from some short, old, overweight guy. However I have enough years of personnel management to know if my goal is to return the highest value from my staff and I recognize that achievement level between two talented individuals is the result of an institutional training deficiency, I correct the deficiency and realize that value.

You can come back at me as many times as you want, but your thinking is so confined inside the box that I doubt you can come up with anything that I can't refute in seconds.

84 posted on 04/10/2014 8:45:26 AM PDT by CMAC51
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