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Obama @ Saddleback Church -Defines Marriage (Flashback!)
youtube ^ | Aug 20, 2008 | deltaman099xyz

Posted on 04/07/2014 11:28:45 AM PDT by Nachum

At the Saddleback Civil Forum, Barack Obama addressed his definition of marriage.

While he said he believes that marriage is a union between a man and a woman, he also said that he would not support a Constitutional definition of marriage as so.

His argument is that marriage has not been defined by the federal government, traditionally. He said that it is up to the states to decide

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To: HiTech RedNeck

Christians oppose gay marriage and abortion, and fight them politically by promoting and fighting for their conservative politics, to change the laws that you desire and currently have.

You mock them, and fight them politically.


41 posted on 04/07/2014 9:58:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

I mock the superficial so called Christians who have a form of religion but deny its power. You are to every evidence I have seen a foremost example of that. You had ten years to show that you cared about Christ from the heart. You failed. I don’t know how much longer the Lord will give you but you could die in your next breath and go to hell because you never let the Lord take away your original sin.


42 posted on 04/07/2014 10:00:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

This is doing God’s work, and using our vote to save lives.

“”On January 22, thousands gathered on the National Mall in Washington for the annual March for Life that takes place on the date that Roe v. Wade was decided by the Supreme Court.

The same week, the Republican National Committee decided that it was time for the national party to wade back into the pro-life waters after a perceived hiatus from using it as a platform issue. A “Resolution on Republican Pro-Life Strategy” formally re-established abortion as a 2014 election issue for the party and seeks to push back on the “war on women” rhetoric that Democrats have made synonymous with the pro-life movement.

The RNC clearly believes once again that a prominent pro-life position plays well with voters. Perhaps the national party has taken note of what’s happening at the state level. Twenty-four states enacted 53 anti-abortion measures in 2013 alone.

Research from the pro-choice Guttmacher Institute shows that in the last three years, states have enacted an unprecedented 205 different abortion restrictions. This was made possible by the fact that over half of the states in the union have pro-life governors and pro-life majorities in their legislatures.””


43 posted on 04/07/2014 10:01:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

That’s a very nice claim; how do you relate it to Christ? Are those people whose lives you say you saved to grow up in a world where Ansel12 tells them what to do, or one where the Lord shows them?


44 posted on 04/07/2014 10:03:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

Remember in the sheep and goats, ANY thing the goat failed to do was held against him. It didn’t matter what else he had done. (Anything the sheep did was counted for him. It didn’t matter how else he had failed.)

It is a story of the consequences of salvation FROM THE HEART. Or rejection of it. Do you have that salvation, friend? Will you be a sheep? Or a goat?


45 posted on 04/07/2014 10:05:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim do you consider that list of political gains by the pro-life movement listed in post 43, as supportive of Christian faith, or as a rejection of it, and the activity of anti-Christians?


46 posted on 04/07/2014 10:07:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12; Jim Robinson

Jim, do you know the dangers of the superficial?


47 posted on 04/07/2014 10:07:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ansel12; Jim Robinson

Jim, do you know that the nation is going to hell because it has rejected Christ from the heart? And no amount of law or politics will be anything more than “healing the wound of my people lightly” without that heart relationship being restored?


48 posted on 04/07/2014 10:09:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What is superficial, is your using God to justify your never ending war against conservatives fighting to roll back or replace the abortion and gay marriage laws, that you are fighting to maintain.


49 posted on 04/07/2014 10:10:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12; Jim Robinson

Jim, do you know the Lord is holding us even more accountable for souls than for earthly lives? MORE?


50 posted on 04/07/2014 10:10:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

I am fighting against vain masks. Once we acknowledge before the Lord that yes, we are ugly, then we are in a position to accept and absorb His beauty.


51 posted on 04/07/2014 10:11:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

You seem to think that superficial activity makes you beautiful. Not if it did not result from confessing your ugliness before the Lord and accepting His gift at the Cross... and EVERYBODY has ugliness. NOBODY is born without it. ORIGINAL SIN.


52 posted on 04/07/2014 10:13:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

How is it that you think your fight to protect pro-abortion and gay marriage laws, is more Christian than fighting to change those laws?


53 posted on 04/07/2014 10:13:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

What do you mean fighting to protect them? Once more you show Satan’s mouth of lying, which you got at your original sin, when you use that term to describe my effort to UNDERMINE them. To UNDERMINE evil.


54 posted on 04/07/2014 10:15:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

The very fact that you insist on seeing this at the fleshly level is very suggestive that you are lacking something at the heart, friend. Law can, at best, only mop up. Grace undermines evil and builds virtue.


55 posted on 04/07/2014 10:17:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Your political effort here is devoted to stopping Christians from advancing conservative or-life, pro-marriage politics and law.

Your fight is against conservative, pro-life, pro-marriage politics in behalf of libertariansim

You mock them as conservative Christians as “statists” and social conservatives.

That is why you mock the pro-life movement and the political and legal gains listed in post 43 and ending gay marriage at the federal level government for federal employees.


56 posted on 04/07/2014 10:23:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Also note that you suddenly narrowed your laundry list. OF COURSE let’s see if it is possible to repeal such junk. NO we don’t need to weave bans into the entire fabric of law to do it. But, YES the heart has to be there for the Lord. It is not the Lord’s work if it is only for show. And a sign that it is for show is such accusatory conduct as yours.


57 posted on 04/07/2014 10:24:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

Note that your laundry list has broadened again. No, you cannot get away with that, Satan. Shifting shadows.


58 posted on 04/07/2014 10:24:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The very fact that you insist on seeing this at the fleshly level is very suggestive that you are lacking something at the heart, friend. Law can, at best, only mop up.

This is a political site, and you are one of the most aggressively political people here.

Something is not adding up in your phony "God" act, as you discourage Christians from participating in politics, while advancing your anti-god libertarianism.

59 posted on 04/07/2014 10:26:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Basically because I won’t endorse a lot of superficial and overweening superfluities, you accuse me of not hoping to repeal true monstrosities in God’s sight.

No, your flesh is NOT congruent with the will of God.


60 posted on 04/07/2014 10:27:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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