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To: caww
but you do seem to have a real issue about the facts/evidence being presented...

If it's kowtowing to the official Kremlin line, which exaggerates the nationalist threat, paints the entire government and at least half of the Ukrainian population as Nazi, then yes.

and always from the standpoint that people are either for Ukraine or Russia

It is unfortunate that it's the "either-or" situation, but that's how it is for Ukrainians and pretty much every other Russian neighbour in Europe who cannot afford to look at it as an impartial observer.

American black-and-white equivalent is the problem of Islamic terrorism. An American is either behind his country, or he's not. There's no room for "enlightened" preachers talking about chickens coming home to roost.

but as most know, there are no good guys on either side in Ukraine

When Ukraine occupies Russia and oppresses its population for 300 years, commits a genocide or two, then we can compare the magnitudes of who is worse.

Besides what difference does it make if the Nazi's come also from other areas?

It's very "ballsy" (for the lack of a better word) when Russia, who is knee deep in hatred and intolerance towards other ethnicities accuses one of its victims, Ukraine, of the same crime. Recently, the Ukrainian Foreign ministry, as a retort to Russian accusations, brought up that 6 people have been killed in Russia since beginning of the year in a series of xenophobic attacks. If I recall, victims were from Central Asian countries and the Caucasus. In Ukraine - zero. (If you don't count one dead Crimean Tatar in the Russian "liberated" Crimea.)

However, just so you know the Pres. of Ukraine as well as varied Int'l diplomats are aware of the Nazi influence there and in the government.

I've been critical of Svoboda on this forum as well. Mykhalchyshyn and Myroshnychenko are an absolute embarrassment. Tiahnybok is a lightweight, all he can do is give anti-Russian speeches; Farion too, put a muzzle on all of them. Some are expecting that Svoboda might not even make it past the 5% threshold if elections were to be held. Now, they're just a liability who provide ammunition for the Kremlin.

79 posted on 04/05/2014 11:12:47 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Ivan Mazepa
Sounds like the only players you see in Ukraine are the Russians and Ukranians.....which isn't the case by any means. The International Politicians are knee deep and have been, and that not FOR Ukraine but against Putin. Ukraine is basically the bystander.

As you know there are many moving parts to Ukraine that the EU/NATO/US and Russia are influencing....and they 'all' use the undesirables to their advantage while they attach themselves to whatever piece of the Ukrainian pie is significant to them.... Not just Russia Ivan...and there is no exaggeration to it...it's how the big players work.

All that's happening in Ukraine isn't about their freedom...it's about how much of Ukraine the interested parties can control, manage, and steal. ...which of course the USA had all Ukraine's gold shipped immediately to the FED.."for safe keeping" don't you know, (Rather like they did for Germany, and we now know how that played out.) when in fact it's payback for the revenues the USA put into Ukraine to support 'their' revolution. Ukraine will never see that gold again.

Russia got Ukraine's Crimea, the ports, the navy and their oil.

US got Ukraine's gold, and perhaps a missil base?

EU got their economic trade deal which Ukraine will have to use to pay off the EU.

Ukraine will get exactly what these three squabble over to give them...and you can be sure it won't be sufficient for Ukraine to ever go it alone.

Ukraine now has three boots on their necks.

83 posted on 04/06/2014 12:03:58 AM PDT by caww
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