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To: caww

Not sure where you get your news but a lot of what you wrote is nonsense. My family participated at the Maidan, my uncle and his family live in Kyiv and were among the many average Ukrainians who were simply fed up. They protested peacefully until Yanukovych started in with his brutal repressive tactics, assaulting journalists then unleashing secret police on the crowds, people were left with no choice but to fight back.

As far as the rest it seems like you are buying into a lot of the Russian propaganda which has been disseminated quite efficiently here,as well.

The “outsiders” in this situation are on the Russian side, the true fascists and Nazi’s in Europe all fully support Russia in this matter.

In the end, the Ukrainian people deserve the chance to settle these things for themselves, democracy is not always neat, but people are doing their best and Putin is trying to consolidate his power ahead of any elections which might legitimize the new government.


112 posted on 04/06/2014 11:26:58 AM PDT by RedForemanRules
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To: RedForemanRules; caww

Caww has a long history on FR, of being an unbiased news searcher.

You, otoh, signed up 2 days ago. How do we know you have all the relatives in Ukraine etc etc?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?


113 posted on 04/06/2014 11:30:06 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: RedForemanRules

Were there not supposed to be elections in a few months’ time?


116 posted on 04/06/2014 12:25:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RedForemanRules

(....”My family participated at the Maidan, my uncle and his family live in Kyiv and were among the many average Ukrainians who were simply fed up”.....)

What’s happening in Ukraine has little to do with the “average Ukranians”, aside from the protests and fighting when and if it comes. And they lost control of the protest relatively early on. Who do you think was providing the funding for this? We know that some of the oligarchs were, as well those who wanted revege for Putin kicking them out. We also know the US/Eu were providing funding......but only to depose of the Governing powers so they can shift Ukraine back on “their” track.

As mentioned before..the deal was sealed and we see it playing out so:

Russia has Crimea and Ukraine’s oil off Crimea...and possible the EAstern cities as this continues to the next phase.

US has Ukraines gold, shipped out in the dead of night no less, (thanks to Yats), which is a down-payment for US revenues massed into Ukraine for the Revolution and any other investment. Ukraine won’t be getting that back.

EU has it’s economic trade deal, without having to take on Ukraine’s debtload, and the IMF along with the EU will be calling the shots of asterity.

So now Ukraine has three boots on it’s neck. Would be nice to imagine they’d be generous to the people. But so far that hasn’t, nor does it look to happen. Ukraine will have to find it’s way out with the “tools” given it to dig with. But the digging they will have to do for many many years....

My guess is there will be yet another protest in the near future, once they all get their second wind, the current affairs are barely over if that.

Further the Presidents running are all part and parcel of the same old school house....Ukraine’s come full circle, again.


123 posted on 04/06/2014 3:21:48 PM PDT by caww
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