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To: Fledermaus
So if a US citizen living in London on a job has his pregnant US citizen wife join him for a week and she goes into early labor and produces a child, that child is NOT a US citizen?

Citizen? Yes, probably a citizen of the US and possibly a native born citizen of GB, depending on the treaties in place and each nations' laws regarding citizenship.

But not a natural born American citizen, as I understand the term.

Natural born citizenship, as I understand the term, is an exclusive form of citizenship, since Mom's and Dad's citizenship are of the same place the child is born, there are no other options for that child's citizenship.

It's a "pure" form of citizenship that differs in purity than the less pure Native born, as I understand those terms.

The most diluted form would be if mom's citizenship and dad's citizenship are each from different nations and the child is born in yet another nation than either of the nations the parents are citizens of.

That child potentially has citizenship in three different nations, depending on the treaties.

As such, I don't know which nation or parent would have the stronger claim to that child, the father, the mother or the nation where s/he was born.

But there's no way that's Natural Born Citizenship, as I understand the term and its use in our Constitution.

However, if the NBC requirement is removed from the Constitution and changed to just "citizen", then this argument goes away.

Otherwise, NBC means born here to American citizens, as I understand it from what I learned in grade school and through researching the terms in the many, many arguments since obama was installed.

If you liked the many attempts to get that issue before the courts, including that of Lt. Col. Lakin, the Army Dr. who refused to follow obama's orders until the issue was ruled upon and wound up in the brig, then you'll love it should Cruz, born in Canada to a Cuban father and an American mother, run for POTUS.

47 posted on 04/02/2014 9:36:36 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

No court was going to invalidate Obama’s presidency, regardless of the evidence.

Both the Dems and the GOP wanted the bailouts, Obamacare, and the NDAA. They are pleased with the direction the US is going.


53 posted on 04/02/2014 10:22:29 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: GBA

But he’s still qualified to be president.

Under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the US Constitution, Congress has authority to create law regarding naturalization which includes citizenship

Section 5 of the 14th Amendment states, “ The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

And Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1401 defines the following as citizens of the United States upon birth… or natural born citizens:
•Anyone born inside the United States. The person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. (This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.)
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)


67 posted on 04/03/2014 1:28:57 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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