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Michigan Gov. Repeals Ban on Short-Barreled Rifles
Breitbart ^ | 30 Mar 2014 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 03/31/2014 5:56:13 AM PDT by xzins

Last week Michigan Governor Rick Snyder (R) signed legislation repealing that state's ban on privately owned short-barreled rifles and shotguns.

Buyers of short-barreled rifles and shotguns still face extra scrutiny at the federal level via the National Firearms Act. This requires them to undergo a background check, "pay a $200 federal tax, and register these firearms with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives."

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To: saganite

I also want to know if the Mossberg 500 police version has been de-legitimized.

I’d guess VP Biden would approve of it for home protection.


41 posted on 03/31/2014 8:55:10 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: rarestia

Yes, for shooting the plastic sabots that contain a slug smaller than 12 gauge. I prefer rifled slugs that have grooves on the slug and should be fired in a smooth bore improved cylinder. I have a 20” Remington barrel for my 870 that is smooth bore with rifle sights and uses screw in chokes, the improved cylinder for rifled slugs, a full choke for turkey hunting and a rifled choke if I wanted to use sabots. The Improved cylinder is also best for 00 buck.


42 posted on 03/31/2014 9:36:30 AM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: duffee

I’ve only ever used rifled slugs. The idea of a rifled shotgun barrel is strange to me. Would it not be, at that point, a rifle? That’s the very nature of the word: rifle/rifling. Would 00 or any pelletized shell gain an advantage through the rifling, or is it intended to be used solely with sabot rounds?

Learn something new everyday.


43 posted on 03/31/2014 9:45:23 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: xzins; et al

Any law repugnant to the Constitution is null and void.....


44 posted on 03/31/2014 10:25:52 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: saganite

18” is the minimum length for ordinary shotgun barrels. 16” is the minimum length for ordinary rifle barrels. If you want to cut off one to a shorter length than those it requires pre-registration, background check and a $200 tax under the National Firearms Act of 1934. If they come from the FACTORY that way originally, then they are categorized as an “Any Other Weapon” and only require a $5.00 tax, plus registration and background check. All are “Class III” weapons, as are machine guns, and all are legal in Texas.


45 posted on 03/31/2014 10:47:27 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: saganite

NO on the Mossberg Model 500 “Persuader”. That is an ordinary gun, not an NFA Firearm.


46 posted on 03/31/2014 10:48:57 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Paladin2

It is the arbitrary and capricious LAW. Ask some who worked for FDR in 1934. He also wanted to ban HANDGUNS!


47 posted on 03/31/2014 10:50:30 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: rarestia

There are rifled handguns that shoot shotgun shells. No legal smoothbore ones, though, except NFA weapons.


48 posted on 03/31/2014 10:51:46 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: xzins

It IS in inches.


49 posted on 03/31/2014 10:52:22 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: 2harddrive

Good


50 posted on 03/31/2014 10:54:12 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: rarestia

Shot expelled down a threaded barrel spreads in doughnut fashion way to fast to be effective beyond ten to fifteen feet..


51 posted on 03/31/2014 10:57:31 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: rarestia

Spinning a solid slug gives it greater stability in the air, so solid rounds do better in rifled barrels. That spinning effect is negative for shot dispersing from the barrel.


52 posted on 03/31/2014 10:59:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: xzins
..."pay a $200 federal tax, and register these firearms with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives."

Hey, when BATFE kicks in doors, they have to know who's likely to have effective defensive weapons on the other side, so they can flashbang or gas 'em first...

53 posted on 03/31/2014 11:01:02 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SampleMan
Why do I need a class 3 to have a “concealable short-barrelled shotgun” if I already have a concealed weapons permit?

a. The extra $200 fee. b. See #53.

54 posted on 03/31/2014 11:07:59 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Nothing to do with personal safety of the user/carryer: Usually un-mentioned in discussions of short-barreled is the parallel requirement that long guns have an overall length at least 26”. At the time the rule was written the M1 Carbine Paratrooper was the standard for a small rifle IE 16” barrel and 26” overall with the stock folded. The issue/concern right or wrong is concealability. Anything shorter than 26” needs to be dressed like a handgun. No folding/detachable shoulder stocks and no scattergun ( shotgun) bores. Until recent times it was always about gummint income, not safety or bans, the rules created tax income for those guns falling outside the rules-——no more—no less.


55 posted on 03/31/2014 12:50:06 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: xzins

Don’t worry.
We here in Colorado will be cleaning house soon.....


56 posted on 03/31/2014 1:14:10 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: xzins
Self-preservation. Family preservation. Freedom preservation.

What about these is difficult to comprehend?

You're referring to liberals? All of it. Who needs a gun when you can call 911, right? /stupidity

57 posted on 03/31/2014 4:11:00 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: cripplecreek; xzins

Thanks for the ping; post. Good news. HOORAY Rick Snyder!


58 posted on 03/31/2014 5:21:26 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: rarestia

I believe the fully rifled barrel is only intended for sabot rounds. I use it on a 870 that came with a 30” full choke barrel. I keep it around with 00 buck primarily for home defense and hopefully I’ll get to turkey hunt again. I don’t know that I’ll ever deer hunt with it. I deer hunt with either a 30/06 or a 45/70 govt. In Mississippi, during the primitive weapons or muzzle loading season, we can use a single shot, exposed hammer, pre 1900 patent in a .38 cal. or larger so I don’t use my muzzle loaders anymore.


59 posted on 03/31/2014 6:24:27 PM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: rarestia

Sabot rounds through a rifled shotgun barrel are CONSIDERABLY more accurate and provide further effective range.

Hunting deer with a smooth bore and standard or rifled slug limits you to about 50 - 60 yards of good accuracy.

On the other hand, I’ve got a rifled slug gun that I would confidentaly shoot at 150 yards.


60 posted on 03/31/2014 6:40:04 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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