Posted on 03/29/2014 8:02:51 AM PDT by shuck and yall
I am not confused at all. The US isn’t majority conservative. National leaders like Presidents, Speakers and Minority/Majority Leaders are going to be seen as compromisers. We forget all the compromising Reagan did and he was an accidental President.
We’re going to have to compromise, but we’re going to have to get leaders that get it. Boehner and McConnnell have a ton of opportunity - Obamacare, massive debt, jobs, IRS abuse, domestic spying, etc. - Why aren’t they using it?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/Conservatives-Remain-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx
You are just willing to give up too easily
I’m not. I know exactly that demographic. To get to 51% you still need some 30% of the mushy middle and to get to 60% you need more than half the mushy middle. Capisce?
The people on FR make up the “very conservative” who are just 10%. What does that mean versus “conservative” or “moderate”?
How did Obama get elected? I wonder if “conservative” doesn’t mean the same thing to everyone. What’s the standard?
And, FYI, I’m not giving up easily. I fight every day and I very often win - lowering taxes, paying off government debt and pushing/keeping the governments paws off our lives. Thanks.
You are not ‘winning’ when you tell Boehner, McConnell et al you will vote for them because they’re not as bad as Democrats. These kind won’t ever be loyal to you or me. So why broadcast to the world you are willing to accept them ?
Listen, maybe I misunderstand you. What’s your plan for taking over Congress and winning the Presidency? Or are you focusing on the states and keeping control over state governments?
We did not wait for generations. It was 16 years from the defeat of Goldwater by an historic margin to the election and re-election of Ronaldus Maximus by historic margins. We did this despite Thoroughly Modern Millhouse selling out the party base twelve times before breakfast each morning, naming Gerald Elmer Fudd Ford to replace Agnew, inflicting Betty Ford on us in the process with her abortion cheerleading and vacant brain pan, Kissinger, the usual crop of Wall Street greedheads, trust fund feeders, trust fund recipients, Panama Canal abandoners, disarmament treaty (START I through infinity), detente pushers, wage and price controls, SCOTUS social revolutionaries of the likes of Herod Blackmun, John Paul Stevens, Lewis (a good man of business but clueless on social issues) Powell and a host of lower court quislings, created the Environmental Protection Agency, OSHA and a variety of other Lilliputian institutions to plague the economy, etc., etc., etc. Ad infinitum, ad nauseam.
A republic? Representatives? A friend has suggested that members of Congress and the Senate be required to wear the same sort of jackets as NASCAR drivers, festooned with the patches signifying their respective sponsors: Chase Manhattan! Big Pharma! Government Motors! United Nations! LULAC! NAACP! SEIU! Senior members with really colossal K Street clienteles would have to wear coats with lengths of cloth trailing behind them to accommodate all the special interests they represent.
Sorry. The purpose of this exercise is to nominate someone for POTUS worth electing, to elect him or her as impressively as possible, to rub the noses of our enemies: media, academia, Junior Leaguers, envirowhackos, sexual perverts, babykillers, etc., hard in the dirt. to ram through an agenda full speed ahead (think Pelosi, Nancy and Reid, Harry as to tactics) to pack the fedcourts with people who have a copy of the constitution and reading lessons and an attitude favoring both. Using the budget process, eliminate the functions of government designed to carry out social and fiscal revolution against our constitution.
That means no compromises. If, God forbid, compromises occur for a higher good, they can be nothing but TEMPORARY compromises.
Very few Americans polled EVER confess to being liberals. They are all noise and no substance and need not be taken into consideration. A few like Barbra Streisand and Alec Baldwin and Johnny Depp are forever "threatening" to move to Europe if we win. Let's win and call their bluff. We could even take up a collection to pay their way if each one took a Demoncrat Senator or Governor or Congresscritter with them and all concerned renounced their American citizenship and understood that there is no coming back. I think the trust fund obsessives should get the same treatment. We can do without them and WHY would they want to share a country with social issue conservatives????
The Congress, including the GOP Caucus, is a shameful Black Hole of Calcutta ideologically. Boehner is an absolute rank disgrace. He gives booze and golf bad names along with tanning salons. Cantor is thoroughly useless. So is McCarthy. My congresscreature Adam Kinzinger is all too typical. Elected in 2010 as a TEA Party Congressman (with no other credentials), he was not in DC ten minutes before reporting to Bonehead that, having been elected by the suckers back home, he was available for whatever the drunken stumblebum of the House might wish. Therefore, when the Chicago Demonrats destroyed his district in the redistricting, the skeevy little quisling moved to the most Republican District in the state and, assisted by a mountain of special interest money provided by leadership in DC, took out our far superior Congressman Don Manzullo. If Saul Alinsky rises from the grave to challenge Kinzinger, I will NEVER vote for Kinzinger. Did I mention that Manzullo was being punished (after 22 solid years) for asking the Weeper of the House to allow a resolution telling Obozo that there would be NO MORE DEBT LIMIT INCREASES? Of course, that might frighten the Barons of Wall Street and K Street.
The House was infinitely more conservative under Newt Gingrich than it is today under John Barleycorn and his fellow quislings in leadership.
Whatever you may imagine, social conservatism is what made Ronaldus Maximus POTUS. Social Conservatism is what makes Reagan Democrats into Reagan voters. Likewise military conservatism, foreign policy conservatism, 2nd Amendment conservatism and other issues having nothing to do with the insatiable greed of the Romney types.
Economic issues do not shake the world. As Reggie Jackson might have said, they are not the straw that stirs the drink. Numbers, accountants' tricks and jargon, outright lies, self-serving crap from the comfortable to afflict those who are not so comfy, farming the taxpayer to line Muffy's trust fund are all tools of the GOP-E to ram it to the general public while hallucinating that you win elections by posing (truthfully) as the Sheriff of Nottingham while the Demonrats get to play Robin Hood.
You go ahead and practice national suicide on the installment plan worrying about nothing but $$$$$$$$$$$$ and then $$$$$$$$$ as the numbers swim before the eyes of a public too abused to care. There is a LOT more anger against your GOP-E quislings than you imagine. They AND THEIR ILK will be long gone before generations have passed. We shall either have a Reaganesque restoration or we will be living in a commisar ridden USSA.
If you want conservatives' votes, get the brainless GOP-E quislings the hell out of the way, nominate candidates worth voting for or pay the price as a party and as a nation. Rule or ruin. If you think that's juvenile, then remember that Nixon, Rockefeller, Lindsay, Ford, Michel and a host of other former leaders in the dumpster agreed with you when Ronaldus Maximus was proposed. We (the actual we that does not include $$$$$$ quislings) won then and we shall win again.
Oh and as to coalitions: Babies, guns, marriage, military, togh foreign policy, nationalism, and the interests of ordinary citizens. No Wall Street bailouts, no matter what. That will do as a coalition now and forever. Make long overdue inroads into the black and Latino communities which the elitists are always just to busy to bother with, and the coalition will be really permanent. If the trust funders want to come along for the ride, fine. Otherwise, readjust the tax laws to cut them down to size.
OK, I don’t agree with much of what you said. It sounds the like a Leftist with all the envy. You have no evidence of “the insatiable greed of the Romney types”. Romney is moral and much more moral than Obama. I do not subscribe to the “rule or ruin” doctrine as you’ve described it.
If it came down to a Mark Kirk clone v. Durbin, I’d vote Mark Kirk’s clone. He’s an improvement. If it came down to a Mark Kirk clone v. a Peter G. Fitzgerald, it’s Peter all the way.
Your way is valid only via destruction, misery, violence, bloodshed and revolution. I don’t think we’re there yet. You’ll never get rid of crony capitalists, but you can checkmate them, limit their power and educate people. Remember that Marbury of Marbury v. Madison was a political crony. The year? Tuesday, March 3, 1801 the day Adam’s presidency came to an end.
That’s 213 years ago. This isn’t a new problem. Get back to the Constitution, one step at a time.
The Republican Party is doomed to the same fate as that of its long dead Federalist and Whig money-grubbing predecessors unless and until it adopts a more Jacksonian and historically mainstream posture. This does NOT mean feeding the welfare state. Nor does it mean coddling and cuddling the 1% who were Romney's genuine constituency. It means refusing to bail out Wall Street or AIG or Goldman, Sachs or the Masters of the Universe on Wall Street who brought on the recession that elected Obozo twice while looting the general public to save the Masters' mansions in the Hamptons from divestment that might have rendered their owners (shudder) ordinary Americans for their failures.
A Mark Kirk Clone vs. Durbin? Nancyboy Kirk IS a Durbin clone. What's the difference for ordinary citizens? That Kirk will (or is that may) vote with a narrow GOP majority to put the GOP-E ion charge of the Senate to negotiate with Obozo how they will sell out the country for a few tax breaks for Muffy and Skipper? Not good enough. I will NEVER vote for Kirk or any other UpChuck Percy act alike. Nominate candidates WORTH VOTING FOR or face a rolling grassroots revolt in the GOP base that dooms such Demonrat suckups in GOP drag running as though they were actually Republican by any measure other than privilege of birth or willingness to live as servants of the privileged.
Peter Fitzgerald is still alive and young enough to make an impact. Get the Wall Street $$$$ types and stooges for the Combine the hell out of the way and nominate Peter Fitzgerald or someone similarly principled on social issues. Not that I expect that to happen. If not, oh well....
Can't get rid of crony capitalists? Well, even I would not personally repeat the efforts of those who beheaded Louis XVI and Marie "Let Them Eat Cake" Antoinette or of those who did a rather thorough job of terminating anything and anyone vaguely resembling Mittens in 1917 in Moscow. Louis XVI and Tsar Nicky II were sufficiently pigheaded in their conduct to render their fates inevitable. We are Americans and that is not our way. Would you like it to be? Then continue nominating the greedy upper class pigs to line their pockets at our expense and inevitably lose even to the likes of Obozo followed by the Arkansas Medusa and see if America may not follow France and Russia.
Romney is moral???? Not really. He has spent his entire public life as a cheerleader for the wanton slaughter of unborn infants for convenience sake. In 2012, he decided that Paris was worth a Mass, and publicly lied, claiming that he had suddenly become pro-life. Bear in mind that he had included abortion and sex change operations in Romneycare for Taxachusetts, the inspiration for Obozocare. He sent his bright young pseudo-intellectual socializers and baby-killers to DC to advise Obozo in crafting Obozocare. When the Taxachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled in favor of the "constitutional right" of sexual perverts and fudgepackers to call their social arrangements "marriage" but neglected to issue orders, leaving to the legislature any further action, Romney issued executive orders telling town clerks to issue "marriage" licenses or else. Moral? Puhleeze!
On a different tack, want to try and come up with the name of any Romney ancestor of Mittens or of any of his four sons to EVER serve in our military even in times of peace? Good luck! Bear in mind that he is a Mormon and not a Quaker and plenty of Mormons have served honorably in our military.
Tell me of Mittens' efforts to defend Second Amendment rights in Taxachusetts. Lexington and Concord and all that! Did he become Gun Owners' of America's Man of the Year for his Herculean struggles with the Taxachusetts' legislature to re-arm the citizens of Massachusetts or to allow them to re-arm themselves? Of course not. Guns have nothing whatsoever to do with his utterly $$$$$ obsessed elitist agenda. As even the uber-liberal former "GOP" US Senate Leader Hugh Scott of Pennsylvania famously said during the Nixon regime: Don't listen to what we say. Watch what we do!
Face it. While you may vote conservative in a GOP primary, in the general election any old useless POS will do so long as the all important "Republican" label is attached to the useless POS. Congratulations! You are officially and voluntarily an unashamed party hack.
My "envy" is limited to being continually fed up throughout my long life with the illicit influence of $$$$$$ on the Republican Party. To the extent that the Romneys enjoy a lifestyle not imagined by kings and emperors of yesteryear, and have obtained that lifestyle through honest effort and creativeness and ingenuity, God bless them and they are welcome to all of it. If they use the levers of government to enhance their wealth at the expense of the rest of us, not so much. If they use their financial power to shift to us the burden of paying for the bloated budgets which benefit them disproportionately while driving their tax rates down and their loopholes up, not so much. In any event, I do not seek a penny's worth of what they have gotten.
I won't dignify your denial that Romney and his nomination buying cronies are insatiably greedy with a response. We all know better.
Again, if the GOP wants my vote, at any level of government, all it needs to do is nominate candidates who DESERVE that vote. If not, I will at least not vote for GOP-E candidates and, alternatively vote Democrat (depending on the candidate) or third party. I started voting in 1968 and from that year until 2011, I voted reliably Republican except when Lowell Weicker and or John Rowland was up for election or re-election. I should NOT have voted for Nixon in 1968, Ford in 1976, Dole in 1996, McCain in 2008, and a handful of bad local candidates, but I did. Never again. At various times, I was state chairman of Young Americans for Freedom, Young Republicans, College Republicans, and state affiliate of the American Conservative Union, a Republican Congressional nominee and a Republican Town Chairman. I've had enough of being a Republican on autopilot. I am a Roman Catholic and a conservative as I understand that term and those are my only external loyalties.
"Destruction, misery, violence, bloodshed and revolution." Lions and tigers and bears, oh my! Those things usually result from the obtuseness of the ruling class. As to revolution, do you and the Romney Club join the Junior Leaguers down at the Tory Club in singing God Save the Queen in denial of the American Revolution? Or was that one different? IIRC, that one was not primarily featuring Tories on the front lines. Just like the rest of our wars.
You neglected to call me an "extremist" or a "purist" which is where I came in as a high school kid. We certainly DON'T agree on much for which I thank God so long as you prefer party over principle.
Rule or ruin.
I live in Illinois as well. I cannot very well vote for Quinnochio, perhaps the single least intellectually competent officeholder I have ever seen. Connecticut’s Danell Malloy is a close second but I don’t live there anymore. How bad is Connecticut? I moved to Illinois from Connecticut. It’s that bad.
Precisely!
Demonstrably false.
"If it came down to a Mark Kirk clone v. Durbin, I’d vote Mark Kirk’s clone. He’s an improvement."
Also false. Both corrupt leftist Combiners. They're the same party.
LOL. If only I took your opinion seriously.
You're a lurid political dreamer, no? Arguing with the wind and solving nothing. Keep enjoying losing.
I’m sorry, I wasn’t giving my opinion.
So you’re the wind ? Time for you to blow away.
What could possibly be lurid about politically castrating the ruling class crowd who have been ruining the GOP since Ronaldus Maximus left office? Or defending Second Amendment rights which that elite despises? Or protecting the innocent unborn which gets in the way of the eugenicist mantra of that group? Or defending traditional marriage (One man, one woman only) from the social revolutionaries who are Percival Gotmegabucks 32nd's little Muffie and Skipper? Or advancing the culture of NASCAR and pro football (not the wimps of the elitist crowd who run the NFL) over tiddlywinks and teatime at 4 and "Polo, anyone?" as the culture of the GOP?
If you only took fieldmarshaldj's opinion seriously and agreed with it as normal folks do, you would be an actual Republican and an actual conservative. No danger of that! What would Muffie and Skipper think or the polo ponies' think tank for that matter?
We shall have our party and our nation back! Rule or ruin.
Way too much common sense here.
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